Exploring our SDA heritage and root teachings.

[SDAchristian]

A person would have to have gone through the above TWICE (at a minimum) to get to the point of where they could accept the investigative judgement message. This doesn't seem right to me.

Good thing, you have no control over the Holy Spirit guiding them.

The Holy Spirit guiding people to categorically reject Sacred Scripture - I think not.

AV 1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

The people of "the spirit of error" seem to think so too. But they will enforce their authority by blood shed over spiritual matters, before GOD does.

AV Ac 5:3-6 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried [him] out, and buried [him].

The Holy Spirit knows how to discipline for lying, so that men do not need to for spiritual reasons.

I realize, you do not see this coming. But I am counting on the Holy Spirit to remind you later.

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What many failed to understand there is Judgment in the Gospel, in many forms, levels, kinds and timings. Okay, throw out the word "investigative" for now. Please do not be ignorant of the whole of Gospel judgment of all sins. GOD is Omnipotent and Omniscient to accomplish the total judgment of sin and cleanse the universe of sin.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

There is no moral equivalence between what Ellen White and the Adventists did and what Moses did.

It is your right of free speech to state your opinion, in GOD's Gift of Free Will Choice.

We have a difference of view here - I don't believe God rewards people for repudiating Sacred Scripture...
...Than further rewards them with teachings that were unknown for thousands of years.
...Teachings which contradict nearly 2000 years of Christian history.
Think about it - God rewards people who thumb their nose at what Jesus said...
...God then chooses to reward this group who also happens to be militant anti-Trinitarians.
...It's to THEM God restores the Christian Faith????
Come-on, you can't expect anyone [to include yourself] to actually believe that.

"Come-on, you can't expect anyone [to include yourself] to actually believe that.", That is your "GOD's Gift of Free Will Choice" to reject that, as to others to accept that. Then GOD judges why that person made that decision.

We disagree because of the viewpoint we hold personally about the subject in question.

AV 2C 10:11-17 Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such [will we be] also in deed when we are present. 12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. 13 But we will not boast of things without [our] measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you. 14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond [our measure], as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in [preaching] the gospel of Christ: 15 Not boasting of things without [our] measure, [that is], of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly, 16 To preach the gospel in the [regions] beyond you, [and] not to boast in another man's line of things made ready to our hand. 17 But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Always remember GOD has a standard of Truth "to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us" by. If any rejects "the measure of the rule", they will be held accountable to GOD, and not to men.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

Jesus said;
"No man knows the day or the hour"

Is Jesus resurrected as a man ???

Bearing in mind, your stated support for the trinity, When is Jesus' statement true and when when will it be false ???

Your answers will reveal your point of view.

Your in Christ, Michael

 

[pythons]

"Come-on, you can't expect anyone [to include yourself] to actually believe that.", That is your "GOD's Gift of Free Will Choice" to reject that, as to others to accept that. Then GOD judges why that person made that decision.

We disagree because of the viewpoint we hold personally about the subject in question.

AV 2C 10:11-17 Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such [will we be] also in deed when we are present. 12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. 13 But we will not boast of things without [our] measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you. 14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond [our measure], as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in [preaching] the gospel of Christ: 15 Not boasting of things without [our] measure, [that is], of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly, 16 To preach the gospel in the [regions] beyond you, [and] not to boast in another man's line of things made ready to our hand. 17 But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Always remember GOD has a standard of Truth "to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us" by. If any rejects "the measure of the rule", they will be held accountable to GOD, and not to men.

Yours in Christ, Michael

It's difficult to seriously consider that a group of anti-Trinitarians who insisted their personal experience outranked Jesus' own explicit teachings in the Bible and that Christians who followed Christ's teachings were in league with Satan WERE IN ACTUALITY found to have met and passed the bar for God's standard of truth. The Christ repudiating anti-Trinitarian group is then chosen by God to pick up the torch of the Protestant Reformation to share "the true gospel" with the world.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Is Jesus resurrected as a man ???

Bearing in mind, your stated support for the trinity, When is Jesus' statement true and when when will it be false ???

Your answers will reveal your point of view.

Your in Christ, Michael

Jesus is God becoming human, and he accepted the limitations of having finite knowledge in his humanity as a man, but was always still fully God!

 

[Common Tater]

Is Jesus resurrected as a man ???

Bearing in mind, your stated support for the trinity, When is Jesus' statement true and when when will it be false ???

Your answers will reveal your point of view.

Your in Christ, Michael

You seem to be taking a binary position that Jesus is either a man or he is God. Jesus is both human and divine, fully man and fully God. At no time has Jesus ever ceased being God. But at no point since the incarnation has he ceased to be human. But do not think that Jesus is half human/half God. As I stated earlier, Jesus is fully God and fully man. He has both a human nature and a divine one.

 

[YeshuaFan]

You seem to be taking a binary position that Jesus is either a man or he is God. Jesus is both human and divine, fully man and fully God. At no time has Jesus ever ceased being God. But at no point since the incarnation has he ceased to be human. But do not think that Jesus is half human/half God. As I stated earlier, Jesus is fully God and fully man. He has both a human nature and a divine one.

Think his replies do point out that Sda in its core teachings does have real Arinian teaching regarding jesus!

 

[JonHawk]

You seem to be taking a binary position that Jesus is either a man or he is God. Jesus is both human and divine, fully man and fully God. At no time has Jesus ever ceased being God. But at no point since the incarnation has he ceased to be human.

For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 1 Peter 3:18

But do not think that Jesus is half human/half God. As I stated earlier, Jesus is fully God and fully man. He has both a human nature and a divine one.

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. John 14

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Ga 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

You seem to be taking a binary position that Jesus is either a man or he is God. Jesus is both human and divine, fully man and fully God.

AV Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In Jesus' man body was and is "all the fulness of the Godhead bodily".

Do You have issues understanding "the Godhead" inside Jesus' man body, like Paul did ??? You get back to me, when you understand Paul's words as "Godhead" Truth.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[pythons]

The Godhead was without Body and Parts until the Incarnation...
...Jesus was / is - the fullness of the Godhead BODILY.
...The Father, contrary to SDA teaching does NOT have a hominid body.

 

[e v e 21]

More loaded assumptions needing an objective understanding.

Let us start with "the apple" as a definite article usage, Please show the verse that gives evidence to your statement ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

i would like to hear this too.

my understanding is that eve was left alone..
meaning… that the fall already was in progress (since the serpent could access her) and that worse the evil occurred when she was taken out of adam, (she was now alone!) …. God did not do that and it was a violation of His creation. Adam would not be lonely - she was inside and his core…. His creation was Good. All that verbiage attributing it to God is corruption of the text.

the apple was the evil realm itself. eve touched that satanic realm (death). Compare the dead body, haggai 2.

if she had been inside adam as God created them, she could not have interacted with/touched that realm.

 

[Formersda]

i would like to hear this too.

my understanding is that eve was left alone..
meaning… that the fall already was in progress (since the serpent could access her) and that worse the evil occurred when she was taken out of adam, (she was now alone!) …. God did not do that and it was a violation of His creation. Adam would not be lonely - she was inside and his core…. His creation was Good. All that verbiage attributing it to God is corruption of the text.

the apple was the evil realm itself. eve touched that satanic realm (death). Compare the dead body, haggai 2.

if she had been inside adam as God created them, she could not have interacted with/touched that realm.

All you need to do is read Genesis 3:6

“When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.”

 

[Common Tater]

Prologue:
AV Ga 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

AV Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In Jesus' man body was and is "all the fulness of the Godhead bodily".

Do You have issues understanding "the Godhead" inside Jesus' man body, like Paul did ??? You get back to me, when you understand Paul's words as "Godhead" Truth.

Yours in Christ, Michael

God the Son did not have a material body prior to the incarnation. If he did, please tell me what happened to it after the incarnation. Here's the "Godhead" truth-God the Son came to earth and took up human form. He still remained fully God and yet was now fully human. He has kept his humanity after the crucifixion and resurrection. None of this means that the Father has a physical body. God created space. Please tell me how His body existed before He had created the space that it must occupy.

 

[e v e 21]

All you need to do is read Genesis 3:6

“When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.”

but by now she had been taken out of him…

sad.

 

[JonHawk]

Formersda said:
All you need to do is read Genesis 3:6

“When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.”

but by now she had been taken out of him…

sad.

Then the Lord made garments for the man and his wife.

No longer am I sad, for You have clothed me with gladness; Psalm 30:11

The Lord will bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair. Isa 61:3

You turned my sorrow into praise
Thank you God, for You make all things new
Beauty for ashes

 

[Common Tater]

Prologue:
AV Ga 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

AV Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In Jesus' man body was and is "all the fulness of the Godhead bodily".

Do You have issues understanding "the Godhead" inside Jesus' man body, like Paul did ??? You get back to me, when you understand Paul's words as "Godhead"

Prologue:
AV Ga 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

AV Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

In Jesus' man body was and is "all the fulness of the Godhead bodily".

Do You have issues understanding "the Godhead" inside Jesus' man body, like Paul did ??? You get back to me, when you understand Paul's words as "Godhead" Truth.

Yours in Christ, Michael

The Beloved Apostle says the same thing that Colossians 2:9 does.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. John 1:1-2 NASB
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14 NASB

Jesus, the Son of God, told us something else about the Father.

“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24 NASB

And Paul told us the same thing.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15 NASB
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. 1 Timothy 1:17 NASB

The Book of Hebrews says the same thing.

By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured, as seeing Him who is unseen. Hebrews 11:27 NASB

The Old Testament also tells us that God has no form.

“Then the LORD spoke to you from the midst of the fire; you heard the sound of words, but you saw no form—only a voice. Deuteronomy 4:12 NASB

And Jesus confirmed it once again.

“And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form. John 5:37 NASB

Do you have a problem with the Holy Spirit not having a physical body? If not, then why would you have a problem with the Father or the pre-incarnate Son not having physical bodies as well?

You should ask yourself why God forbids the making of graven images, even of Himself.

 

[JonHawk]

The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Cor 15:45 And the life was the Light of mankind. John 1:4

“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24 NASB

And Paul told us the same thing.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15 NASB

And if Christ is in you, the old nature is dead, but the Spirit is alive because of His imputed righteousness. Rom 8:10

Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 6:11

This is why it is said:
“Awake, sleeper, And arise from the dead, And Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:13-14

 

[SDAchristian]

The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Cor 15:45 And the life was the Light of mankind. John 1:4
And if Christ is in you, the old nature is dead, but the Spirit is alive because of His imputed righteousness. Rom 8:10
Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 6:11
This is why it is said:
“Awake, sleeper, And arise from the dead, And Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:13-14

AV Lk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

There a lot of things Jesus said, that many "do not" do these days.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[e v e 21]

The Lord will bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair. Isa 61:3

yes.

soon ,
His sons and daughters will be restored to eden nature.

 

[e v e 21]

The Beloved Apostle says the same thing that Colossians 2:9 does.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. John 1:1-2 NASB
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14 NASB

Jesus, the Son of God, told us something else about the Father.

“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24 NASB

And Paul told us the same thing.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15 NASB
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. 1 Timothy 1:17 NASB

The Book of Hebrews says the same thing.

By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured, as seeing Him who is unseen. Hebrews 11:27 NASB

The Old Testament also tells us that God has no form.

“Then the LORD spoke to you from the midst of the fire; you heard the sound of words, but you saw no form—only a voice. Deuteronomy 4:12 NASB

And Jesus confirmed it once again.

“And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form. John 5:37 NASB

Do you have a problem with the Holy Spirit not having a physical body? If not, then why would you have a problem with the Father or the pre-incarnate Son not having physical bodies as well?

You should ask yourself why God forbids the making of graven images, even of Himself.

His spirit most definitely has a gorgeous body.

just not of flesh nature. of course not.