False witness?

[Judges13:18]

Is that a reference to this Spirit?

Acts 5:31-32---King James Version
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Does anyone see the anomaly here? To be sure--Judges just pointed his criticism toward the Biblical testimony itself.

All you have done is connect the Holy Spirit to those who obey him. We don't deny that connection. The difference between Christianity and your false Mormon theology is that we receive the Spirit in order to faithfully obey God's commandments:

Ezekiel 36:27
27...I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.

But you try to faithfully obey God's commandments in order to receive the Spirit. You got it backwards. Everything about Mormonism is about the merit of faithfully doing works. It is a works justification gospel. A gospel that can not save and which is condemned in scripture. It appeals to the pride of the Pharisee, not the humility of the Tax Collector. Proud people gravitate to the works gospel. Humble people gravitate toward the gospel of grace through faith apart from works.

 

[Judges13:18]

Whatever you feel the talents represented--the servants were judged in accordance with what they DID with the gifts--and that for the "joy of thy lord" or "outer darkness".

Yes, because what you did with the talents God entrusted to you signifies whether or not you had a 'knowing' relationship with him in this life or not. They do not establish that relationship, as you erroneously believe. They reveal it. And so it is upon the examination of the evidence of your work done in this life that you are judged to have a relationship with God through Christ and, therefore, eligible to enter the kingdom of God, or judged to not have a relationship with God and, therefore, not eligible to enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[dberrie2020]

You only obtain eternal life by works at the resurrection in that your works are the evidence of the relationship you already have with Christ.

If that is true--then the theology you preach is false.

John 5:24
24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment.

That is a reference to judgment here:

John 5:28-29---King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

As the KJV points out:

John 5:24---King James Version
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Are you claiming all men aren't judged according to their own works?

If you are--you again have the witness of the scriptures testifying against you:

John 5:28-29---King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

2 Corinthians 5:10---King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1 Peter 1:16-17---King James Version (KJV)
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Romans 2:5-11----King James Version (KJV)
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

 

[dberrie2020]

dberrie said--"But there is a connection between God's grace and our obedience to Jesus Christ(works).

IOW--God extends His grace unto them which obey Him--and do His works:

Revelation 22:14---King James Version
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

So what makes you think you have done this that you'll receive eternal life at the resurrection?

What I do or don't do has nothing to do with the testimony of Revelation22:14--it has everything to do with demonstrating your theology is false.

Revelation22:14 is exactly what one will find being taught in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

And by Jesus Christ:

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And by the apostles:

1 John 2:3-4---King James Version
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[dberrie2020]

dberrie said---"Whatever you feel the talents represented--the servants were judged in accordance with what they DID with the gifts--and that for the "joy of thy lord" or "outer darkness".

Yes, because what you did with the talents God entrusted to you signifies whether or not you had a 'knowing' relationship with him in this life or not.

That's just an admission your theology is false. The servants were given God's grace, or God's grace was withheld--in accordance of what the servants DID with the gifts:

Matthew 25:14-30---King James Version
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Please do realize these were "his own servants"--not unbelievers.

So--if even believers are judged in accordance with what they DO with the gifts--then it stands to reason unbelievers will be judged accordingly.

Hence--all men will be judged according to what they DO with the gifts God grants them--and that for "the joy of thy lord"--or--"outer darkness".

 

[dberrie2020]

dberrie said---"Is that a reference to this Spirit?

Acts 5:31-32---King James Version
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Does anyone see the anomaly here? To be sure--Judges just pointed his criticism toward the Biblical testimony itself."

All you have done is connect the Holy Spirit to those who obey him.

Bingo!!! And that connects God's grace unto life with one's obedience. Which defies the theology you preach here.

We don't deny that connection.

Yes you do. You have to--because that would violate the theology you preach here.

The difference between Christianity and your false Mormon theology is that we receive the Spirit in order to faithfully obey God's commandments:

That's not where your theology is violated.

Your theology is violated here:

Acts 5:31-32---King James Version
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Reversing the ordering sequence won't change the testimony of the scriptures. That testimony demands obedience to be given the Holy Ghost.

And so was the testimony of the apostles:

Acts 10:34-35---King James Version
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Which comports to the testimony of other apostles:

1 John 3:7---King James Version
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Humble people gravitate toward the gospel of grace through faith apart from works.

Humble people know faith apart from works is nothing but dead faith:

Luke 6:46---King James Version
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

But at least you now admit your position--faith apart from works--which is labeled a dead faith in the Biblical text.

 

[dberrie2020]

Sure it is. Faith and grace are two sides of the same coin.

And so are faith and works:

James 2:19-24---King James Version
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Bonnie--could you explain for us, if works are eliminated in obtaining eternal life--then why are all men judged in accordance with works--and that for life or damnation?

John 5:28-29---King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

2 Corinthians 5:10---King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1 Peter 1:16-17---King James Version (KJV)
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Romans 2:5-11----King James Version (KJV)
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Matthew 16:27---King James Version
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Bonnie--study those scriptures carefully--because if one desires to find a church which preaches that theology--they will find that in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

[Magdalena]

dberrie said---"Is that a reference to this Spirit?

Acts 5:31-32---King James Version
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Does anyone see the anomaly here? To be sure--Judges just pointed his criticism toward the Biblical testimony itself."



Bingo!!! And that connects God's grace unto life with one's obedience. Which defies the theology you preach here.



Yes you do. You have to--because that would violate the theology you preach here.



That's not where your theology is violated.

Your theology is violated here:

Acts 5:31-32---King James Version
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Reversing the ordering sequence won't change the testimony of the scriptures. That testimony demands obedience to be given the Holy Ghost.

And so was the testimony of the apostles:

Acts 10:34-35---King James Version
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Which comports to the testimony of other apostles:

1 John 3:7---King James Version
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.



Humble people know faith apart from works is nothing but dead faith:

Luke 6:46---King James Version
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

But at least you now admit your position--faith apart from works--which is labeled a dead faith in the Biblical text.

Humble people don’t judge others about whether they’re doing enough “works.”

 

[Bonnie]

All you have done is connect the Holy Spirit to those who obey him. We don't deny that connection. The difference between Christianity and your false Mormon theology is that we receive the Spirit in order to faithfully obey God's commandments:

Ezekiel 36:27
27...I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.

But you try to faithfully obey God's commandments in order to receive the Spirit. You got it backwards. Everything about Mormonism is about the merit of faithfully doing works. It is a works justification gospel. A gospel that can not save and which is condemned in scripture. It appeals to the pride of the Pharisee, not the humility of the Tax Collector. Proud people gravitate to the works gospel. Humble people gravitate toward the gospel of grace through faith apart from works.

Hi Judges....every time this "obedience" stuff comes up on here from a certain Mormon, I repost the following:

The Obedience Which Is Faith — Romans 1:5 and 16:26 – Grace Evangelical Society

faithalone.org

Saving faith is obedience

Commenting on our expression in Rom 1:5, Anders Nygren writes,

One receives in faith that which God proffers us through Christ. This is “the obedience of faith.” (Romans, p. 55)

Here is a fair treatment of the text. Paul is simply speaking of the obedience which is faith.

It is biblically correct to speak of faith as an act of obedience. After all, God commands us to believe the Gospel (e.g., Acts 16:31).

Support for this view is seen in many passages. Acts 6:7 says that “many of the priests were obedient to the faith.” Romans 10:16 2 Thess 1:8 speak of obeying or disobeying the Gospel. See also, John 3:36; 6:28-29; 1 Pet 1:2, 22; 2:7-8; and Acts 5:32.

Conclusion​

Jesus called for people to believe in Him. Thus whenever anyone believes in Him, he is obeying Him. Saving faith is an act of obedience.

So, you should not be bothered by the idea of faith as an act of obedience.

The obedience of faith spoken of in Rom 1:5 16:26 does not refer to obeying all that God has commanded. No one but the Lord Jesus has done that. Rather, it refers specifically to obeying the command to believe the Gospel. If you’ve done that, you’ve exercised the obedience of faith.

Obeying the Gospel is simply believing it.

 

[Mod10]

I am moving this thread to the APO board. It is off topic for the Mormon forum, which is for discussing and debating Mormon beliefs and practices.

 

[Judges13:18]

You only obtain eternal life by works at the resurrection in that your works are the evidence of the relationship you already have with Christ.

If that is true--then the theology you preach is false.

You don't seem to know that we have eternal life now, and, will enter into it at the resurrection. Why does Mormonism not teach this Biblical truth?

 

[isaac]

Hi Judges....every time this "obedience" stuff comes up on here from a certain Mormon, I repost the following:

The Obedience Which Is Faith — Romans 1:5 and 16:26 – Grace Evangelical Society

faithalone.org

[Jesus called for people to believe in Him. Thus whenever anyone believes in Him, he is obeying Him. Saving faith is an act of obedience.
If you’ve done that, you’ve exercised the obedience of faith.]
Obeying the Gospel is simply believing it.

He became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Heb 5:9
Through Him we receive grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith; Rom 1:5

___________________________________________________________________
"The other day I went to court and the Judge asked me if I was guilty or not guilty,
and I replied, If you don't know why should I tell you."

 

[Judges13:18]

John 5:24
24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment.

That is a reference to judgment here:

John 5:28-29---King James Version
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

As the KJV points out:

John 5:24---King James Version
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

The John 5:24 verse I posted says those who hear and believe already have eternal life, and are already not under judgment. That’s why we will pass safely through the final judgement and enter into the kingdom of God. You’re waiting to receive by the effort of your faithful works (if they are good enough) what we already have through the hearing of faith, which we will receive the fullness of at the resurrection when our bodies are redeemed and we enter physically into the eternal kingdom of God.

 

[Judges13:18]

Are you claiming all men aren't judged according to their own works?

No, I'm not saying that at all. Men are indeed going to be judged according to their works. What I'm saying is that at the final judgment the examination of the believer's works reveal them to be saved children of God. You say the examination of the believer's works make them saved children of God at the final judgment, if they were good enough to do that. You serve a false works justification gospel.

Your works aren't good enough to make you a saved child of God at the final judgment. No one's are. That's why God credits righteousness to us as a gift of his grace through faith in Jesus, apart from the merit of our works, as you are trying to do. Then, in the kingdom to come, that is when we will walk in the perfect righteousness of God. That is the hope of righteousness we patiently wait for by faith - Galatians 5:5.

 

[Judges13:18]

Revelation22:14 is exactly what one will find being taught in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

And by Jesus Christ:

Matthew 19:16-19---King James Version
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Then you will never obtain eternal life. You don't keep all of God's commandments, all of the time. It's that simple. You're lost.

That was the old covenant way to obtain eternal life, an impossible way to be justified, temporarily imposed on the people of God to lead them to justification through faith in God's promise of a Son, the way Abraham was credited righteousness. You're not getting the message, though. The way of the law isn't leading you to a humble reliance on a righteousness outside of yourself the way God intended.

 

[Judges13:18]

dberrie said---"Whatever you feel the talents represented--the servants were judged in accordance with what they DID with the gifts--and that for the "joy of thy lord" or "outer darkness".



That's just an admission your theology is false. The servants were given God's grace, or God's grace was withheld--in accordance of what the servants DID with the gifts:

Matthew 25:14-30---King James Version
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Please do realize these were "his own servants"--not unbelievers.

So--if even believers are judged in accordance with what they DO with the gifts--then it stands to reason unbelievers will be judged accordingly.

Hence--all men will be judged according to what they DO with the gifts God grants them--and that for "the joy of thy lord"--or--"outer darkness".

What you're not getting is what they did with the talents did not make them faithful servants or unfaithful servants. It revealed them to be either a faithful servant or an unfaithful servant. And they were judged accordingly.

That's why the Bible says obedience shows you to be a born again child of God, not makes you one, as you believe:

1 John 2:29
29...everyone who practices righteousness has been born of Him.

 

[Judges13:18]

dberrie said---"Is that a reference to this Spirit?

Acts 5:31-32---King James Version
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Does anyone see the anomaly here? To be sure--Judges just pointed his criticism toward the Biblical testimony itself."

All you've done is connect the Spirit with those who obey him. We don't deny that connection. What we deny is your false assertion that you earn the indwelling Spirit by being obedient to God. The benefit of the Spirit is dependent on your obedience, but obtaining it in salvation is not.

 

[Judges13:18]

And that connects God's grace unto life with one's obedience. Which defies the theology you preach here.

Our theology doesn't deny the connection between the Holy Spirit and those who obey him. What we deny is your claim that you have to obey God's commandments to get the Holy Spirit in you. Well, let us know when you've been good enough to get the Holy Spirit. And what 'good enough' is.

 

[Judges13:18]

Yes you do. You have to--because that would violate the theology you preach here.

No violation here. Contrary to Mormonism, we believe that those who obey God in a lifestyle of righteousness do that because they have the Holy Spirit in them already through faith in Christ, not because they did works good enough to get the Holy Spirit. And so we affirm the connection between the Holy Spirit and those who obey him. Your error is you connect them in a false works justification gospel that earns the indwelling Holy Spirit.

 

[Judges13:18]

Humble people know faith apart from works is nothing but dead faith:

You're ignorantly mixing Paul's "righteousness apart from works" argument (Romans 4:6) with James' "faith by itself" argument (James 2:17). They are not making the same point about justification. Paul is saying you are made righteous by faith apart from the merit of works of the law. James is saying you are shown to be righteous by works of the law. And so a man is justified by, both, faith and works (James 2:24). Faith makes you righteous. Works show you to be righteous. 'Justified' is defined as meaning, both, to be made righteous, and to be shown to righteous. You don't know this. So you think James is saying you are made righteous by faith and the works of the law.

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Justify

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Justify

webstersdictionary1828.com

Luke 6:46---King James Version
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Nothing wrong with this verse. Your error is extrapolating it to mean you are justified (made righteous) by being obedient to obey God's commands. And not until the final judgement where your works are judged to see if you did enough good works to be saved. You serve a works justification gospel based on a handful of un-rightly divided snippets of scripture misused to create that works justification gospel, which Paul says is no gospel at all.

But at least you now admit your position--faith apart from works--which is labeled a dead faith in the Biblical text.

Your erroneous Mormon interpretation of James' argument about justification nullifies Paul's different argument about justification. That is where Mormonism goes off the rails and creates and serves a false works justification gospel that can save no one. Your works are not good enough for you to be declared righteous enough for entry into the kingdom by those works. The purpose of the law was to prove that to you. You're not getting the message.