After saved, not part of getting savedThat is an irrelevant reference since baptism is from God and it is something done to the one being baptized.
After saved, not part of getting savedThat is an irrelevant reference since baptism is from God and it is something done to the one being baptized.
How can you randomly qualify a baptism as a spirit baptism or a water baptism. I have yet to find your anabaptist practice prior to ~1525. Your view is more consistent with the Mennonites, from what I've seen.That would be Holy Spirit Baptism
We do indeed. But we also are cleansed by the washing of water WITH the word of God, as Paul says in Ehesians 5, I think it is.Faith in Jesus redeems us, as we have sins forgiven by the shed blood of His upon the Cross, not in the water!
YeshuaFan, what is easier to believe take up your mat and walk or your sins are forgiven? Be baptized for the __________ of sins. How about other declarations of God, let there be light.... and there was _____. Do you believe these things are true? Can you now begin to see why we see your reading of scripture and reckoning as somewhat arbitrary?After saved, not part of getting saved
That is more extra-biblical nonsense as there is no command to that effect.After saved, not part of getting saved
Your imaginary water baptism must have an imaginary commanded sequence because there is no biblical command to that effect.The ones being water baptized have already trusted in Jesus to save them
The ones who believe in the real Jesus, the Jesus repeatedly proclaimed in Scripture, know that the real Jesus is the one who baptizes, see John 1:33. Your, "water baptism," is a figment of someone's imagination.The ones being water baptized have already trusted in Jesus to save them
There is only one baptism, the one into the real Jesus Christ. Why do you look for salvation and blessing apart from the Savior?That would be Holy Spirit Baptism
If they trusted in the real Jesus toThe ones being water baptized have already trusted in Jesus to save them
Do you hold to Baptismal regeneration?If they trusted in the real Jesus to
save them then they trusted that baptism into Him does now save you through His resurrection. It is just as those whose minds were opened to understand the Scriptures said and wrote.
Do you want to qualify that or is it like asking people of widely divergent faiths whether they believe in Jesus? You will get multiple answers of yes, but that won't mean there is agreement.Do you hold to Baptismal regeneration?
Do you hold to it then as Rome does, as in the Baptism original sin remitted, and the new life in Christ comes via the indwelling then of the Holy Spirit?Do you want to qualify that or is it like asking people of widely divergent faiths whether they believe in Jesus? You will get multiple answers of yes, but that won't mean there is agreement.
To your unqualified question the answer is Scripture teaches baptismal regeneration, see for example John 3.
No, Rome has a different take. According to Scripture, baptism is for the forgiveness of sins, therefore, limiting it or focusing primarily on original sin and speaking of a second plank are errors.Do you hold to it then as Rome does, as in the Baptism original sin remitted, and the new life in Christ comes via the indwelling then of the Holy Spirit?
We receive all of the spiritual blessings found in Christ thru faith alone....No, Rome has a different take. According to Scripture, baptism is for the forgiveness of sins, therefore, limiting it or focusing primarily on original sin and speaking of a second plank are errors.
Baptism into Christ, like the fulfilled promise of the Christ, are objective truths that are set forth to be received through faith.
That is why baptism into Christ does now necessarily save you through His resurrection. That is the Prophetic and Apostolic faith. Anything to the contrary is not the Christian faith revealed in Scripture.We receive all of the spiritual blessings found in Christ thru faith alone....
We agree with the words on the page represented as your answer at least.We receive all of the spiritual blessings found in Christ thru faith alone....
Yes, it changes because everyone knows better than a false Christ. A false Christ leads to false doctrine.We agree with the words on the page represented as your answer at least.
Tell me if you go back in a hypothetical and everywhere you see baptize, baptism and of the like and merely changed the word to gospel, would your hermeneutic then change? If so, why?
To have spiritual blessings in Christ, must first be saved, and part of the new Covenant, but infant baptism does not grant one entry way there!We agree with the words on the page represented as your answer at least.
Tell me if you go back in a hypothetical and everywhere you see baptize, baptism and of the like and merely changed the word to gospel, would your hermeneutic then change? If so, why?
The Lutherans make a big ritual out of baby baptism.To have spiritual blessings in Christ, must first be saved, and part of the new Covenant, but infant baptism does not grant one entry way there!