After saved, not part of getting saved
First Lutheran transgender bishop, Megan Rohrer
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Nic
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How can you randomly qualify a baptism as a spirit baptism or a water baptism. I have yet to find your anabaptist practice prior to ~1525. Your view is more consistent with the Mennonites, from what I've seen.
Bonnie
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We do indeed. But we also are cleansed by the washing of water WITH the word of God, as Paul says in Ehesians 5, I think it is.
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Nic
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YeshuaFan, what is easier to believe take up your mat and walk or your sins are forgiven? Be baptized for the __________ of sins. How about other declarations of God, let there be light.... and there was _____. Do you believe these things are true? Can you now begin to see why we see your reading of scripture and reckoning as somewhat arbitrary?
Fill in the blank is an effort on my part to ask you to reconsider a closer look at the scriptures.
Thanks again for your replies here!.
Nic
BJ Bear
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That is more extra-biblical nonsense as there is no command to that effect.
BJ Bear
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Your imaginary water baptism must have an imaginary commanded sequence because there is no biblical command to that effect.
Are you confusing what is considered a polite way of gift giving, explaining to an adult stranger why you want to do something, with rude unwelcomed behavior, splashing a stranger or kidnapping a stranger to get him wet in a river without explanation?
BJ Bear
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The ones who believe in the real Jesus, the Jesus repeatedly proclaimed in Scripture, know that the real Jesus is the one who baptizes, see John 1:33. Your, "water baptism," is a figment of someone's imagination.
BJ Bear
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There is only one baptism, the one into the real Jesus Christ. Why do you look for salvation and blessing apart from the Savior?
BJ Bear
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If they trusted in the real Jesus to
save them then they trusted that baptism into Him does now save you through His resurrection. It is just as those whose minds were opened to understand the Scriptures said and wrote.
Do you hold to Baptismal regeneration?
BJ Bear
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Do you want to qualify that or is it like asking people of widely divergent faiths whether they believe in Jesus? You will get multiple answers of yes, but that won't mean there is agreement.
To your unqualified question the answer is Scripture teaches baptismal regeneration, see for example John 3.
Do you hold to it then as Rome does, as in the Baptism original sin remitted, and the new life in Christ comes via the indwelling then of the Holy Spirit?
BJ Bear
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No, Rome has a different take. According to Scripture, baptism is for the forgiveness of sins, therefore, limiting it or focusing primarily on original sin and speaking of a second plank are errors.
Baptism into Christ, like the fulfilled promise of the Christ, are objective truths that are set forth to be received through faith.
We receive all of the spiritual blessings found in Christ thru faith alone....
BJ Bear
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That is why baptism into Christ does now necessarily save you through His resurrection. That is the Prophetic and Apostolic faith. Anything to the contrary is not the Christian faith revealed in Scripture.
Nic
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We agree with the words on the page represented as your answer at least.
Tell me if you go back in a hypothetical and everywhere you see baptize, baptism and of the like and merely changed the word to gospel, would your hermeneutic then change? If so, why?
BJ Bear
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Yes, it changes because everyone knows better than a false Christ. A false Christ leads to false doctrine.
Even in the baptismal statements Scripture is shouting behold your Lord God and Savior, but somehow people miss that and make their faith in whatever the cause* of their salvation.
* In the modern sense of cause and effect.
Authentic Nouveau
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The Lutherans make a big ritual out of baby baptism.
They also offer for the stillborn.
Authentic Nouveau
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Did Martin Luther ordain lesbians?