First Lutheran transgender bishop, Megan Rohrer

BMS

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Odd. We all (including you) deserve hell apart from faith in Christ. Your view of loving your neighbor as yourself, like the rest of us, needs work.
Yes
One cant love ones neighbour by not loving God. Jesus said first love God. The NT teaching is to rebuke each other where false teaching occurs
 
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Authentic Nouveau

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Very interesting to watch a debate between Rohrer and Gagnon. Rohrer's opening was that she is going to heaven and god loves lgbtq+, which of course we cant judge. But everything she assumed was refuted by Gagnon.
But when she rallied against lgbtq+ bullying Gagnon revealled some of her pre interview insults.
The lgbtq+ ideology is a lie.
LGBLTQPX movements are not of God.
These assorted sexual addictions are very difficult to cure. Jesus came to set captives free.
 

BJ Bear

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Very interesting to watch a debate between Rohrer and Gagnon. Rohrer's opening was that she is going to heaven and god loves lgbtq+, which of course we cant judge. But everything she assumed was refuted by Gagnon.
But when she rallied against lgbtq+ bullying Gagnon revealled some of her pre interview insults.
The lgbtq+ ideology is a lie.
Do you have a link or string to search on? Thanks.
 

BJ Bear

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I can get it for you a bit later on BJ Bear. Gagnon is exceptional. In the meantime you could search youtube for rohrer gagnon gender binary and the bible the full unedited debate.
Ok, thanks. I will try that first. If it doesn't work then I will ask again.
 

BJ Bear

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Very interesting to watch a debate between Rohrer and Gagnon. Rohrer's opening was that she is going to heaven and god loves lgbtq+, which of course we cant judge. But everything she assumed was refuted by Gagnon.
But when she rallied against lgbtq+ bullying Gagnon revealled some of her pre interview insults.
The lgbtq+ ideology is a lie.
Yes, Gagnon had the high ground so it wasn't much of a debate.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us." 1 John 1:8-10.
 
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BMS

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So how many in the main denominations can see what is going on? We can see from the Anglican, Methodist and this board of the take over of churches by lgbtq+xyz.
The Church of England's leadership is already preparing for next steps after the living in love and faith course (with is not loving and the opposite of faith) seemingly unaware that this lie is splitting and destroying the CofE. The very opposite of its intended purpose.
 

Bonnie

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Yes, this decision by the ELCA didn't happen overnight. Bad theology and bad practice has a point of origin. If it is not checked it will spread.

It shouldn't surprise anyone if the effect of this decision follows the pattern of female ordination in the ELCA. If I recall correctly, it too began years ago with a congregation in SF and eventually there were more female ordinations.

The method used to attempt justifification of both is the same, it is through a misuse and abuse of the gospel. Instead of it being the proclamation of the forgiveness of sins, etc, on account of the person and work of Christ it is being used as law or a club to justify the idea or cause of choice.
What is ironic is that, back in 2003-05, I think it was, the first female ordained Lutheran minister, on the 30th anniversary of that happening, actually had come to reject female ordination, if memory serves me correctly.

I found out last Sunday that a man visiting our church, who sat behind us, is an ordained ELCA minister, who is thoroughly fed up with his church body's ultra-liberalism and denial of Biblical truths. He actually wants to know how to become an ordained LCMS minister, what credits and such he can transfer. I think the only ones he could transfer would be the biblical languages courses. We know n LCMS pastor who started off in an ELCA seminary, but after one year, he saw the light, left and went to one of the LCMS seminaries. The only credit he could transfer was his Greek course.
 
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BJ Bear

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What is ironic is that, back in 2003-05, I think it was, the first female ordained Lutheran minister, on the 30th anniversary of that happening, actually had come to reject female ordination, if memory serves me correctly.

I found out last Sunday that a man visiting our church, who sat behind us, is an ordained ELCA minister, who is thoroughly fed up with his church bodies ultra-liberalism and denial of Biblical truths. He actually wants to know how to become an ordained LCMS minister, what credits and such he can transfer. I think the only ones he could transfer would be the biblical languages courses. We know n LCMS pastor who started off in an ELCA seminary, but after one year, he saw the light, left and went to one of the LCMS seminaries. The only credit he could transfer was his Greek course.
Is there no longer a Colloquy in the LCMS?
 

BJ Bear

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What is ironic is that, back in 2003-05, I think it was, the first female ordained Lutheran minister, on the 30th anniversary of that happening, actually had come to reject female ordination, if memory serves me correctly.

I found out last Sunday that a man visiting our church, who sat behind us, is an ordained ELCA minister, who is thoroughly fed up with his church bodies ultra-liberalism and denial of Biblical truths. He actually wants to know how to become an ordained LCMS minister, what credits and such he can transfer. I think the only ones he could transfer would be the biblical languages courses. We know n LCMS pastor who started off in an ELCA seminary, but after one year, he saw the light, left and went to one of the LCMS seminaries. The only credit he could transfer was his Greek course.
Is there no longer a Colloquy in the LCMS?
 

Mike McK

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Says the guy who says believing the verse "baptism now saves you" really means 'baptism now condemns you.'
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You realize misquoting somebody is against the rules, right? So, show the post where I ever said anything like that or be reported.
 

Nic

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You realize misquoting somebody is against the rules, right? So, show the post where I ever said anything like that or be reported.
Read what I wrote. Polemical value is there, granted. You also say because we believe the verse, we are condemned. Own it.
 

Mike McK

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Yawn. Do you now deny saying on one or more occasions that if we believe that we are saved when baptized we are going to hell?
Yes. Very much so. It has been my position all along that baptism is for those who are already saved. You know, like the Bible says.
 
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