First Lutheran transgender bishop, Megan Rohrer

Faithoverbelief

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How do you know? And does the opinion of some people, Christian or otherwise, trump the word of God?

How do you know that it is only one sin being acknowledged? Or do you think that acknowledgement of one sin necessarily denies other sins?
Because I read the OP. That's how I know.
 

BJ Bear

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Because I read the OP. That's how I know.
Then in all seriousness, opinions don't trump the word of God, it is not a reference to a singular sin, and Scripture doesn't indicate that acknowledging a sin or evem multiple sins is necessarily a denial of all other sins.
 

Faithoverbelief

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Then in all seriousness, opinions don't trump the word of God, it is not a reference to a singular sin, and Scripture doesn't indicate that acknowledging a sin or evem multiple sins is necessarily a denial of all other sins.
God is not denying sin. People are and the evidence is all over this forum and the internet.
 

YeshuaFan

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The heresy you assert is in the meaning of the words you use, otherwise, you wouldn't be using them to deny the clear word of God in Mark 16. It is apparent that those who use God's word as camouflage to attack and deny His clear word are those with a false faith and false Christ. Repent.
That ending in mark though has been very disputed!
 

BJ Bear

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That ending in mark though has been very disputed!
Sure, but the overwhelming majority of those who do dispute the authenticity of the longer ending don't do so on doctrinal grounds. In other words, the disputers are not claiming that the longer ending isn't original because it teaches some kind of substantive error or heresy.

Mark 16:16 is a simple and straightforward way to demonstrate the error which some people read into the passage that leads to gross errors They do that as a way to justify their assertion of a false faith, false Jesus, and a false baptism. If a person studies the passage according to what is actually written and then repents of those errors it was only a misunderstanding rather than something worse.

Even so, if for grins and giggles we pretend that the longer ending of Mark doesn't exist or that the Gospel of Mark doesn't exist at all then nothing changes with regard to what is to be believed about Christ and baptism. A reason why is the nearly universal acceptance of the authenticity of the OT, Luke 24, Acts 2, 1 Peter 3, Romans, etc.

Because of this it works out the same way as in Mark 16:16 when one considers in chronological order Luke 24:44-48, Acts 2:31-39, and 1 Peter 3:21-22. They all rest on the OT and it's fulfillment in the person and work of Christ.

For example, in Luke 24:44-48 the risen Lord Jesus opens the minds of the disciples to understand the Scriptures, how they testify of Him, and the disciples' future witness of Him. They were to proclaim repentance and the forgiveness of sins in His name to the world beginning at Jerusalem, see Luke 24:44-48.

What then did the disciples proclaim in His name regarding repentance and the forgiveness of sins at Pentecost? What was it that people were to believe regarding Christ, baptism and salvation? They were to believe Christ was crucified, risen, ascended to the right hand of God, received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, and subsequently pours it out on all flesh in baptism. For the promise is unto you and your children (without reference to age or mental acuity), as many as the Lord shall call, see Acts 2:30-39.

This is the Prophetic and Apostolic witness regarding baptism, Christ, and salvation just as Peter would later sum the matter, baptism does now save you through the resurrection of Christ, 1 Peter 3:21-22. People who deny this truth in whole or in part necessarily proclaim a false faith, false Christ, and false baptism.
 
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Authentic Nouveau

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Now Rohrer has been suspended for being a racist. Live by woke political correctness; die by woke political correctness.

"They" be gone.
 

BJ Bear

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Now Rohrer has been suspended for being a racist. Live by woke political correctness; die by woke political correctness.

"They" be gone.
Apparently she has never read or disagrees with Bondage Of The Will since let God be God doesn't appear to be part of her understanding. As sad as all this is, the group that suspended her doesn't seem to have any official standing in their Denomination.
 

BMS

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As the saying goes, 'Go Woke, go Broke'. The group is fading because of wokeness.
Agreed.

Its very serious. In a debate with Gagnon, Rorhrer said didnt support intolerance of views, but Gagnon pointed out what she had said before the debate.

These people need prayer.
 

YeshuaFan

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Agreed.

Its very serious. In a debate with Gagnon, Rorhrer said didnt support intolerance of views, but Gagnon pointed out what she had said before the debate.

These people need prayer.
Also needs to get defrocked, or whatever term is in Lutheran churches!
 

Sherman

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I believe defrock is the correct term since she wears vestments. For denominations that do not have special garments for clergy it would be dismiss or fired.
 

BJ Bear

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I believe defrock is the correct term since she wears vestments. For denominations that do not have special garments for clergy it would be dismiss or fired.
Oddly, a female seminary prof within that same organization, and apparently in a tangential story, wrote of a Latino pastor allegedly being fired. Go figure.
 

BMS

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How has it come to this in the Lutheran church? I know in the Church of England it is because the CofE has allowed this false teaching in because it is supported by the activism from society. the CofE is more scared of man than God or it would have dealt with this and faced the persecution.
The level of teaching in CofE is not only milk rather than solid food, it now thinks being lukewarm is an advantage to society. The CofE initiative 'Living in Love and Faith' presents this false teaching as part of the faith to be discussed. Its already unable to spot its own false teaching and too many of its members have too little teaching and revelation to avoid being deceived.

Is that the same in the Lutheran church?
 

YeshuaFan

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Oddly, a female seminary prof within that same organization, and apparently in a tangential story, wrote of a Latino pastor allegedly being fired. Go figure.
Do all Lutheran churches accept female pastors then, as we Baptists do not ordain them!
 

YeshuaFan

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How has it come to this in the Lutheran church? I know in the Church of England it is because the CofE has allowed this false teaching in because it is supported by the activism from society. the CofE is more scared of man than God or it would have dealt with this and faced the persecution.
The level of teaching in CofE is not only milk rather than solid food, it now thinks being lukewarm is an advantage to society. The CofE initiative 'Living in Love and Faith' presents this false teaching as part of the faith to be discussed. Its already unable to spot its own false teaching and too many of its members have too little teaching and revelation to avoid being deceived.

Is that the same in the Lutheran church?
Isn't there a more conservative wing within Lutheranism though?
 

BJ Bear

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How has it come to this in the Lutheran church? I know in the Church of England it is because the CofE has allowed this false teaching in because it is supported by the activism from society. the CofE is more scared of man than God or it would have dealt with this and faced the persecution.
The level of teaching in CofE is not only milk rather than solid food, it now thinks being lukewarm is an advantage to society. The CofE initiative 'Living in Love and Faith' presents this false teaching as part of the faith to be discussed. Its already unable to spot its own false teaching and too many of its members have too little teaching and revelation to avoid being deceived.

Is that the same in the Lutheran church?
It began and basically happened before my time. From my perspective here are three big reasons for the slide.

They have officially or unofficially taught that the Bible contains the word of God rather than is the word of God.

Their pastors aren't required to subscribe to the Book Of Concord because it rightly reclects Scripture but only in so far as it rightly reflects Scripture.

They have confused and misused the Lord's distinction of law and gospel in Scripture in such a way that the gospel has become a law that operates like a club or stick and by which people can avoid the actual law in a pick and choose manner. One example of the latter practice would be someone speaking of sin, or even confessing his own sin, but excluding his own pet sins from that category.

As one of their seminary profs once pointed out in an essay, the people who seek to avoid God's law inevitably replace it with their own laws.

Remember to pray for all men.
 
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