Concordia is your publishing house, correct? Thought they mad an Esv study bible with Lutheran notes?The LCMS does not permit women's ordination, nor are women supposed to be elders in a church, since they must often fill in for the pastor.
The LCMS church uses mostly now the ESV. One of their Greek professors did a lot of the translation of the NT. I prefer the NASB, myself.
First Lutheran transgender bishop, Megan Rohrer
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We Baptists have same problems, as looks like both of our groups have a lot of separate groups under one umbrella!On a side note, when are they going to update the names? If a person doesn't have ties to the Evangelical Church or the Midwest it is confusing.
As a newbie I remember thinking that they were churches for people from Wisconsin and Missouri. I initially had a don't ask don't tell policy in that regard.
I think this issue, which is now resulting in LGBT warring with LGB is the spearhead of the destruction of western society. As seen, even many prominent gays and lesbians are now under attack by woke, ie Douglas Murray, Kathleen Stock, David Starkey, Alison Bailey etc etc.
The account of Sodom isnt there for no reason.
BJ Bear
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Something like that, I would say we are analogous to them.
There was a time when the WELS, the LCMS, and some of the churches which became the ELCA were in fellowship. It was after those churches became the ELCA, which at that time was still in fellowship with the WELS and LCMS, that the errors listed in a previous post began to creep in.
The WELS and I think the LCMS for a time worked with the ELCA to stop those errors but when it became apparent that the ELCA leadership wasn't going to repent the WELS broke fellowship with the ELCA.
The WELS continued in fellowship with the LCMS until it became apparent that because of their own internal issues and continuing fellowship with the ELCA it was necessary to break fellowship with the LCMS.
Breaking fellowship or refusing fellowship is a witness to the other Synod that they have adopted a wrong doctrine or practice that without repentance precludes fellowship. It is not a judgement of whether the other is Christian.
Some good news is that the LCMS did resolve to fix the internal problem they were having and did eventually break fellowship with the unrepentant ELCA.
That is a broad brush picture of what happened before my time. @Bonnie may have more details or a slightly different perspective.
BJ Bear
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Yes, in that regard we are alike. 😊
BJ Bear
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I could be wrong but you may be thinking of the internal turmoil within the ELCA in which practicing homosexual ordination was an issue. There are now multiple synods comprised of former ELCA congregations. Some of which are in fellowship with the LCMS. Off the top of my head, I think the TAALC is one.
I've heard that the way the ELCA is structured it is the Synod that retains ownership of land and buildings so congregations that leave are starting from scratch in that regard.
Bonnie
Super Member
You are correct here. And ELCA pastors that want to leave that synod lose their retirement benefits.
In the LCMS, individual churches own their church buildings and properties.
The ELCA voted in 2009 to allow practicing homosexuals of both genders to be pastors. My church picked up several new members after that, who left their ELCA church because of it. They could not, in good conscience, remain members. They had joined their church decades ago, when it was still an LCA church and had not yet gotten too liberal. Plus, there was no LCMS church in the area back then, until our church came along.
Bonnie
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The LCA and ALC combined in 1988, I think it was, to become the ELCA. I don't think our church was in pulpit fellowship with either of those synods even before then, though I could be wrong. Certainly not with the ELCA. But you are correct--our Synod did try to work things out with the ELCA but eventually, gave up, as the ELCA was unrepentant of its doctrinal errors. And allowing practicing homosexual pastors of either gender was the nail in the coffin.
Sounds like what happened to the various Presbyterian groups and churches when homosexuality and female ordination became hot!You are correct here. And ELCA pastors that want to leave that synod lose their retirement benefits.
In the LCMS, individual churches own their church buildings and properties.
The ELCA voted in 2009 to allow practicing homosexuals of both genders to be pastors. My church picked up several new members after that, who left their ELCA church because of it. They could not, in good conscience, remain members. They had joined their church decades ago, when it was still an LCA church and had not yet gotten too liberal. Plus, there was no LCMS church in the area back then, until our church came along.