First Lutheran transgender bishop, Megan Rohrer

[rossh]

You're the one who asked.

That's right. Discipleship, then baptism. Nothing about being saved by baptism.

Romans 10:9 yea, it is at that same time, that one is expected to give witness to the fact, and confess publicly that Yeshua is your Lord and Savior..
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[rossh]

True, and I agree. But seeing as Jesus taught to baptise it wont hurt that they are baptised.
Also the epistles do imply Baptism is necessary for salvation.

do they ? where is it in the Letters ?
Ro 10"9 Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Nothing at all mentioned about baptism. The Messiah Yeshu'ah was baptized right ?

 

[rossh]

Oy, vey!

NT

well, remind them that their messiah, Joseph Smith, is dead and is by now just dust, then remind them that our Messiah is alive and with God..

 

[BMS]

do they ? where is it in the Letters ?
Ro 10"9 Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Nothing at all mentioned about baptism. The Messiah Yeshu'ah was baptized right ?

No sorry, I was thinking Mark 16:16.

 

[BMS]

However, whether people are told they need to be baptised for salvation, or not, if they are its not going to prevent their salvation, whereas if they believe what Megan Rohrer tells them, it wont help their salvation.

 

[rossh]

No sorry, I was thinking Mark 16:16.

no worries, not a problem, bless you.

 

[BMS]

no worries, not a problem, bless you.

Thanks rossh. Always good to be specific, thanks for picking me up on it.

 

[Mike McK]

True, and I agree. But seeing as Jesus taught to baptise it wont hurt that they are baptised.

Jesus never says salvation is by baptism.

Also the epistles do imply Baptism is necessary for salvation.

Put up or shut up. Show those verses.

 

[Mike McK]

Romans 10:9 yea, it is at that same time, that one is expected to give witness to the fact, and confess publicly that Yeshua is your Lord and Savior..
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Where does the text say that? You're adding your own opinion to the text.

 

[Bonnie]

Jesus never says salvation is by baptism.

Peter does.

Put up or shut up. Show those verses.

Already did, from 1 Peter 3. IN context. But this thread isn't about Baptism. It is about transgender pastors in some Lutheran church.

 

[Mike McK]

Peter does.

Already did, from 1 Peter 3. IN context. But this thread isn't about Baptism. It is about transgender pastors in some Lutheran church.

Sorry, but just saying, "in context" doesn't negate the fact that literally every time you quote 1 Peter 3:21, you quote it out of context. Nor does it negate the spanking you got in the other thread.

 

[BJ Bear]

They share the belief that baptism is necessary for salvation with Catholics and Oneness.

If a person believes the gospel as taught in Scripture then that person won't imagine and then read into Mark 16:16 a relative pronoun in search of an antecedent. The people who do that and refuse the correction of Scripture continue to misinterpret Scripture and would like others to join them in their unbelieving error.

 

[BJ Bear]

Romans 10:9 yea, it is at that same time, that one is expected to give witness to the fact, and confess publicly that Yeshua is your Lord and Savior..
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Paul had already adressed baptism into Christ in Romans 6. Confessing a Christ apart from baptism is comfessing a different Christ than the one provlaimed in Scripture.

 

[BJ Bear]

well, remind them that their messiah, Joseph Smith, is dead and is by now just dust,

Wrong board.

then remind them that our Messiah is alive and with God..

The true Messiah is with God and is God, see John1:1-4.

 

[BJ Bear]

Jesus never says salvation is by baptism.

Jesus did assure his already baptized disciples, who were about to go out into the world proclaiming repentance and the forgiveness of sins in His name, that he that believes and is baptized will be saved..., see Mark 16:16. According to that passage then among those who do not believe are those who deny that baptism saves through the resurrction of Christ. This is easily verified by reading what the apostles subsequently taught, for example, 1 Peter 3:21-22.

The person who believes what Scripture actually says will realize that there is no relative pronoun in that passage in search of an antecedent. It is pure fantasy and error to read a relative pronoun into the passage with the adverb then so that it reads to them, "Whoever believes [this other thing] and [then] is baptized will be saved..."

Put up or shut up. Show those verses.

See above. Repent.

 

[Mike McK]

Jesus did assure his already baptized disciples, who were about to go out into the world proclaiming repentance and the forgiveness of sins in His name, that he that believes and is baptized will be saved..., see Mark 16:16.

Interesting that you ignore the second half of that verse. \


It says he who believes and is baptized will be saved. He who does not believe will not be saved.

If baptism is necessary for salvation, then why doesn't He say "He who is not baptized will not be saved"?

1 Peter 3:21-22.

Unless you're willing to be honest and cite the whole thing, I'm not interested.

See above. Repent.

I accept your concession.

 

[BMS]

Jesus never says salvation is by baptism.

Put up or shut up. Show those verses.

Well I didn't say Jesus did say salvation is by baptism, and of course it isn't, except that if someone believes Jesus teaching they will want to be baptized with water and the Holy Spirit.

So Mark 16:16 says "15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned"
Now I fully accept that the early manuscripts do not have this, but the principle is there. Jesus was baptized, and the disciples baptized. and as you say its the belief that saves, however believers get baptized

So what is your issue here? Just checking you agree there is no such concept of transgender or lgb in God's Biblical testimony.

 

[Mike McK]

Well I didn't say Jesus did say salvation is by baptism

Not directly, but you did imply it in post #60 when you said:

Jesus taught to baptise it wont hurt that they are baptised.
Also the epistles do imply Baptism is necessary for salvation.

So Mark 16:16 says "15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned"
Now I fully accept that the early manuscripts do not have this, but the principle is there. Jesus was baptized, and the disciples baptized. and as you say its the belief that saves, however believers get baptized

Yes. Believers who are already saved get baptized in response to salvation, as a public testimony of the salvation they've already received, not as a means of salvation.

Just checking you agree there is no such concept of transgender or lgb in God's Biblical testimony.

Irrelevant.

 

[BMS]

Irrelevant.

On the contrary, the thread is about the first so called 'transgender' so called 'bishop', not about baptism. The usual tactic of those who support such heresy and apostacy is to try and change the subject.
So what is your answer?

 

[Bonnie]

Sorry, but just saying, "in context" doesn't negate the fact that literally every time you quote 1 Peter 3:21, you quote it out of context. Nor does it negate the spanking you got in the other thread.

So sorry, but I actually have been writing 1 Peter 3, not 3:21. Did you not notice that? That means the entire context.