Bonnie
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But not ONLY through baptism. Did you miss that?Not according to them. They insist salvation comes through baptism, just like the Catholics.
But not ONLY through baptism. Did you miss that?Not according to them. They insist salvation comes through baptism, just like the Catholics.
Your answer was 'irrelevant' Its not irrelevant since transgender and lgbt is the subject of the thread. So same question to you again, answer the question.Same answer I gave you the last time you asked.
Good for her, so she should ignore you. I have asked you twice a question concerning the subject of the thread and twice you have declined to answer, so if you wish other people to answer your off topic question then first you need to answer my on topic question.I asked Bonnie about this several times, as the Bible says that both Paul and Cornelius received the Holy Spirit, thus, indicating salvation, before they were baptized.
So far, she's ignored it.
<AMY have been water Baptized. but all they got from it was wet!OK. Here's second half of Mark 16:16 that you keep ignoring:
"but whoever does not believe ___________ will be condemned."
Now, can you fill in the blank?
Sure, but before you read the answer for the sake of argument consider that what the Bible says is actually true, that is, the Apostles and disciples didn't use cleverly devised fables or tales when they proclaimed the power of His coming.OK. Here's second half of Mark 16:16 that you keep ignoring:
"but whoever does not believe ___________ will be condemned."
Now, can you fill in the blank?
That is only your interpretation. What was the apostolic witness to both of them? Were they baptized for the forgiveness of sins or did some Christless know nothing say, "You're saved so go about your business or come and perform in our religious kibuki theater to make a public proclamation of your faith by being baptized?"I asked Bonnie about this several times, as the Bible says that both Paul and Cornelius received the Holy Spirit, thus, indicating salvation, before they were baptized.
So far, she's ignored it.
Wrong. You're adding your own agenda to God's Word.The answer is whoever does not believe baptism into Him saves will be condemned.
Actually, John 1:33 says Christ baptizes with the Holy Spirit, not with water for salvation.How do we know? The gospel of Jesus Christ includes that He was baptizing before his crucifixion and resurrection, See John 1:33.
I agree. That's why you need to repent now.Standing before God in your own righteousness isn't going to go well for anyone who does so..
Great, so you believe "that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” - NIVWrong. You're adding your own agenda to God's Word.
New International Version
but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
New Living Translation
But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.
English Standard Version
but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Berean Study Bible
but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Berean Literal Bible
but the one having disbelieved will be condemned.
King James Bible
ut he that believeth not shall be damned.
New King James Version
but he who does not believe will be condemned.
New American Standard Bible
but the one who has not believed will be condemned.
NASB 1995
but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
NASB 1977
but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Amplified Bible
but he who has not believed will be condemned.
Christian Standard Bible
but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
American Standard Version
but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
and whoever does not believe is condemned.”
Contemporary English Version
But anyone who refuses to believe me will be condemned.
Douay-Rheims Bible
but he that believeth not shall be condemned.
English Revised Version
but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.
Good News Translation
whoever does not believe will be condemned.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
International Standard Version
but whoever doesn't believe will be condemned.
Literal Standard Version
and he who has not believed will be condemned.
NET Bible
but the one who does not believe will be condemned.
New Heart English Bible
but he who disbelieves will be condemned.
Weymouth New Testament
but he who disbelieves will be condemned.
World English Bible
but he who disbelieves will be condemned.
Young's Literal Translation
and he who hath not believed, shall be condemned.
So, where do you see anything about baptism there?
Actually, John 1:33 says Christ baptizes with the Holy Spirit, not with water for salvation.
I agree. That's why you need to repent now.
Marriage is between one man and one woman for one lifetime. Homosexuality is a sin against both the body, and against God's nature and character. Transgenderism is a mental illness that can be a sin.Great, so you believe "that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” - NIV
If so how come you won't say amen to what is relevant to the topic. Or do you just believe what you wish to believe?
Sorry, but I told you I never saw where you talked about this on here, and I even used the search engine. I even asked you where you talked about this. But I already gave an answer about that: the HS can come to someone before OR after holy baptism. It is His call.I asked Bonnie about this several times, as the Bible says that both Paul and Cornelius received the Holy Spirit, thus, indicating salvation, before they were baptized.
So far, she's ignored it.
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And how does God do this if you share the Catholic belief that water baptism is necessary for salvation?Sorry, but I told you I never saw where you talked about this on here, and I even used the search engine. I even asked you where you talked about this. But I already gave an answer about that: the HS can come to someone before OR after holy baptism. It is His call.
Transgenderism isn't necessarily a mental illness, a confusion yes, but not a mental illness.Marriage is between one man and one woman for one lifetime. Homosexuality is a sin against both the body, and against God's nature and character. Transgenderism is a mental illness that can be a sin.
There. Now go listen to your Judy Garland records.
I have said at least once on here that while baptism DOES NOW save us, it is not absolutely necessary for salvation, if a person has faith in Jesus Christ, but is unable to get baptized, or is prevented from doing so. But no one should despise this means of grace that Jesus Christ has given us, or reject it, if a person is able to receive it.And how does God do this if you share the Catholic belief that water baptism is necessary for salvation?
So, if baptism saves us, how are Paul and Cornelius saved before they were baptized?I have said at least once on here that while baptism DOES NOW save us
You figure it out. What did the HS work in their hearts, and by what?So, if baptism saves us, how are Paul and Cornelius saved before they were baptized?
You figure it out.
My thinking is anything but jumbled. My Lutheran friends would know what I am talking about.You're the one making two conflicting claims. Not my job to "figure out" your jumbled thinking.
My thinking is anything but jumbled. My Lutheran friends would know what I am talking about.
With Cornelius, et. al., when they heard Peter preach the Gospel, what did the HS work in their hearts via that message?
When Jesus appeared so dramatically to Paul outside Damascus, and for the next 3 days, until Ananias restored his sight, what did the HS work in Paul's heart, from what Jesus told him?
You made two conflicting statements, which you cannot explain, and you cannot answer a simple question.
So, is it the regeneration upon the preaching of the Gospel, or is it baptism?
The Bible does not say directly, but we can certainly figure out from the context: when Cornelius. et.al., heard Peter preach the Gospel, what did the HS work in their hearts via that message? So they could believe?The Bible doesn't reveal that and it's not for us to know. However, the text does say Paul received the Holy Spirit and, thus, was saved, BEFORE he was baptized.
This is the Lutherian boardWell I didn't say Jesus did say salvation is by baptism, and of course it isn't, except that if someone believes Jesus teaching they will want to be baptized with water and the Holy Spirit.
So Mark 16:16 says "15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned"
Now I fully accept that the early manuscripts do not have this, but the principle is there. Jesus was baptized, and the disciples baptized. and as you say its the belief that saves, however believers get baptized
So what is your issue here? Just checking you agree there is no such concept of transgender or lgb in God's Biblical testimony.