First Lutheran transgender bishop, Megan Rohrer

[BMS]

Let them kick believers out ( but make sure its only for speaking the truth in love ) rather than leave.

 

[YeshuaFan]

But Peter didn't write that. I agree that the HS can give the gift of the HS before water baptism--but also after water baptism. I don't limit Him as to when and how He acts. There examples of both in the NT.



Corresponding to what? Being brought safely THROUGH the water. Just as the flood drowned the sinners, it also kept the ark afloat, keeping them safe. So, we too are brought "safely" through the water, to give us an appeal to God for a good conscience--what is that? A conscience that has no guilt towards God, because of the forgiveness of sins through Baptism--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

salvation is provided us thru the Ark, which is Jesus Himself!

 

[YeshuaFan]

You can explain all you want to, but we will believe the actual word of God over your "explanations."

However, believing or not believing as you and I do about Baptism isn't going to keep us out of heaven, if either of us is wrong. There is only one unforgiveable sin--do you know what that sin is?

Rejecting Jesus to save you from your sins

 

[YeshuaFan]

Wrong. See: Paul and Cornelius.

Since baptism is for those who are already saved, what happens if a person gets baptized and never gets saved?

How do you explain all the little babies you sprinkle who don't get saved when they grow up?

But scripture does.

OK. Please show us an example of a person who received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit after they were baptized.

...in the ark. Christ is the ark.

This is the dumbest thing I've read here since Vibise's last post.

The ark kept them safe FROM the flood. It was the flood, the thing you're analogizing to God's means of salvation, that was the outpouring of God's wrath. The ark, which is analogous to Christ, is what saved them from the water.

So, if you admit that the verse says "not as the removal of dirt from the body", then how can it be removal of sin from the flesh?

....and that's why fire engines are red.

Lord Jesus stated that we are to water Baptize disciples, and last time checked, infants do not have saving faith in him!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Let them kick believers out ( but make sure its only for speaking the truth in love ) rather than leave.

Once a domination or a church accepts what the gay and lesbian and tgransgender are trying to sell, it is time to move on, as the Spirit of God is now departing!

 

[Mike McK]

Lord Jesus stated that we are to water Baptize disciples, and last time checked, infants do not have saving faith in him!

Correct.

 

[Sherman]

Well the question is, why are people like your friend leaving the denomination? Megan Rohrer should be repenting.

He left because of the heresy of 'Gay is okay'. He was not okay with that. He believes what the bibles says. It's an abomination.

 

[BJ Bear]

I quoted more than a dozen different Bible translations and not one of them say what you dishonestly inserted into the text.

You quoted more than a dozem different Bible translations and not one of them has a relative pronoun or any other indication which turns believed away from baptized.

Even worse is the fact that although according to John 1:33 everyone has to acknowledge that Jesus was baptizing at the time of John the Baptist, but your claim is that people shouldn't believe Jesus" clear statement that he who believed and was baptized shall be saved.

 

[Mike McK]

You quoted more than a dozem different Bible translations and not one of them has a relative pronoun or any other indication which turns believed away from baptized.

And not one of them has the text you dishonestly added to God's Word.

your claim is that people shouldn't believe Jesus" clear statement that he who believed and was baptized shall be saved.

Reported.

 

[BJ Bear]

How anoput

the Eunoch who asked if there was anything to prohibit him from getting water batized, and was told no, as he confessed jesus as now His Lord!

The Interpretation of peter is NOT that water Baptism saves us, but that it points towards what does, the Lord Jesus Himself!

Peter's statement is that baptism does now save you through the resurrection of Christ. If He doesn't return soon according to the way man reckons time then long after we're dead and gone God's word will still say that baptism does now save you through the resurrection of Christ.

 

[Mike McK]

Peter's statement is that baptism does now save you through the resurrection of Christ

Be honest and quote the whole thing.

 

[BJ Bear]

And not one of them has the text you dishonestly added to God's Word.

Since there is no relative pronoun in Mark 16:16 that turns believed away from baptized that is what the passage intends to convey, especially since Jesus was baptizing at the time of John, prior to His crucifixion and resurrection.

Reported.

Was it some other Mike Mck who after quoting the last part of Mark 16:16 in opposition to Jesus' clear words in the first part of Mark 16:16 that, "he who believed and was baptized shall be saved," wrote the following in post 127?

"Actually, John 1:33 says Christ baptizes with the Holy Spirit, not with water for salvation."

First Lutheran transgender bishop, Megan Rohrer

Not according to them. They insist salvation comes through baptism, just like the Catholics. But not ONLY through baptism. Did you miss that?

forums.carm.org

For the record, it is an error to infer that the baptism of JohI was without the Holy Spirit. In no place does Scripture say that John baptizes with water but not the Holy Spirit.

 

[BJ Bear]

Be honest and quote the whole thing.

I went through the passage word by word demonstrating why the additional words you request did not substantively change the core meaning being posted. I don't recall you or anyone else demonstrating anything to the contrary, yet you continue to make baseless claims about the passage and "honesty.".

 

[Mike McK]

Since there is no relative pronoun in Mark 16:16 that turns believed away from baptized that is what the passage intends to convey, especially since Jesus was baptizing at the time of John, prior to His crucifixion and resurrection.

You EDITED added words to the text.

Was it some other MikeMck who after quoting the last half of Mark 16:16 in opposition to Jesus' clear words in the first part of Mark 16:16 that, "he who believed and was baptized shall be saved," wrote the following in post 127?

"Actually, John 1:33 says Christ baptizes with the Holy Spirit, not with water for salvation."

First Lutheran transgender bishop, Megan Rohrer

Not according to them. They insist salvation comes through baptism, just like the Catholics. But not ONLY through baptism. Did you miss that?

forums.carm.org

Yep. That was me. EDITED when you claimed I said "that people shouldn't believe Jesus" clear statement that he who believed and was baptized shall be saved."

For the record, it is an error to infer that the baptism of JohI was without the Holy Spirit

I was responding to your post, not John. EDITED

. In no place does Scripture say that John baptizes with water but not the Holy Spirit.

Nobody said he did.

 

[BJ Bear]

the forgiveness of sins and eternal life comes thru faith in Lord jesus, n ot thru water Baptism, as one can be saved and had never been baptized, such as death bed, or out on the battle field!

It is not faith in Jesus that prompts someone to deny baptism does now save you through the resurrection of Christ when Jesus was baptizing from the time of John the baptist, see John 1:33.

 

[YeshuaFan]

He left because of the heresy of 'Gay is okay'. He was not okay with that. He believes what the bibles says. It's an abomination.

yes, as once your Church goers that way, time to live!

 

[YeshuaFan]

You quoted more than a dozem different Bible translations and not one of them has a relative pronoun or any other indication which turns believed away from baptized.

Even worse is the fact that although according to John 1:33 everyone has to acknowledge that Jesus was baptizing at the time of John the Baptist, but your claim is that people shouldn't believe Jesus" clear statement that he who believed and was baptized shall be saved.

What damns sinners is not being water baptized, b ut not trusting in Lord Jesus to save them!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Peter's statement is that baptism does now save you through the resurrection of Christ. If He doesn't return soon according to the way man reckons time then long after we're dead and gone God's word will still say that baptism does now save you through the resurrection of Christ.

One can be saved and not been water baptized though!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Since there is no relative pronoun in Mark 16:16 that turns believed away from baptized that is what the passage intends to convey, especially since Jesus was baptizing at the time of John, prior to His crucifixion and resurrection.

Was it some other Mike Mck who after quoting the last part of Mark 16:16 in opposition to Jesus' clear words in the first part of Mark 16:16 that, "he who believed and was baptized shall be saved," wrote the following in post 127?

"Actually, John 1:33 says Christ baptizes with the Holy Spirit, not with water for salvation."

First Lutheran transgender bishop, Megan Rohrer

Not according to them. They insist salvation comes through baptism, just like the Catholics. But not ONLY through baptism. Did you miss that?

forums.carm.org

For the record, it is an error to infer that the baptism of JohI was without the Holy Spirit. In no place does Scripture say that John baptizes with water but not the Holy Spirit.

The Baptism of John was not the water, but a promise to repentance and faith in coming Messiah!

 

[YeshuaFan]

You dishonestly added words to the text.

Yep. That was me. And you still lied when you claimed I said "that people shouldn't believe Jesus" clear statement that he who believed and was baptized shall be saved."

I was responding to your post, not John. John wouldn't lie.

Nobody said he did.

there were people in acts who had been baptized by John, and yet were not saved until heard the good news, and then trusted in jesus to save them!