First postmortem study of vaccinated person.

Magdalena

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The first part of this article talks about the findings of the study. This is not a scientific document. So don’t complain about that. You can look it up if that’s what you want.

The second part gives the opinions of the host of the program. So don’t start whining that this is just someone’s opinion. He's talking about a new study.

This is just one source, announcing results of this new study.

 

Authentic Nouveau

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The first part of this article talks about the findings of the study. This is not a scientific document. So don’t complain about that. You can look it up if that’s what you want.

The second part gives the opinions of the host of the program. So don’t start whining that this is just someone’s opinion. He's talking about a new study.

This is just one source, announcing results of this new study.

Watch the leftistas try to discount your thread.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
Here is the actual report:

Very interesting
Left wingers with a total of zero medical credentials are not equipped to discuss the abstract.


A previously symptomless 86-year-old man received the first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. He died 4 weeks later from acute renal and respiratory failure. Although he did not present with any COVID-19-specific symptoms, he tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 before he died. Spike protein (S1) antigen-binding showed significant levels for immunoglobulin (Ig) G, while nucleocapsid IgG/IgM was not elicited. Acute bronchopneumonia and tubular failure were assigned as the cause of death at autopsy; however, we did not observe any characteristic morphological features of COVID-19. Postmortem molecular mapping by real-time polymerase chain reaction revealed relevant SARS-CoV-2 cycle threshold values in all organs examined (oropharynx, olfactory mucosa, trachea, lungs, heart, kidney and cerebrum) except for the liver and olfactory bulb. These results might suggest that the first vaccination induces immunogenicity but not sterile immunity.
Our left wingers rant while your truly spent an hour Tuesday in the Pathology department.

On other matters.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Left wingers with a total of zero medical credentials are not equipped to discuss the abstract.



Our left wingers rant while your truly spent an hour Tuesday in the Pathology department.

On other matters.

I am not a left winger, so, once again, you must be talking to yourself....

But DO show me any "ranting" in my post. And DO note that link is to the original study about this autopsy, conducted by people who ARE NOT "medical outsiders" In case you failed to notice.

I note this from the original study:

We report on an 86-year-old male resident of a retirement home who received vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. Past medical history included systemic arterial hypertension, chronic venous insufficiency, dementia and prostate carcinoma.

The elderly gentleman was severely ill before he got the vaccine.

A previously symptomless 86-year-old man received the first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. He died 4 weeks later from acute renal and respiratory failure. Although he did not present with any COVID-19-specific symptoms, he tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 before he died. Spike protein (S1) antigen-binding showed significant levels for immunoglobulin (Ig) G, while nucleocapsid IgG/IgM was not elicited. Acute bronchopneumonia and tubular failure were assigned as the cause of death at autopsy; however, we did not observe any characteristic morphological features of COVID-19.

This guy was really very, very sick even before the vaccine.

Gastroscopy and colonoscopy were performed to investigate the cause of diarrhea further. Colonoscopy, in particular, demonstrated an ulcerative lesion of the left colonic flexure, which was histologically diagnosed as ischemic colitis. PCR-analysis on biopsy specimens, following a previously reported method (Kaltschmidt et al., 2021), was negative for SARS-CoV-2. Treatment was supportive with mesalazine and intravenous iron substitution. Subsequently, the patient’s condition deteriorated under the development of renal insufficiency.

On day 24, a patient in the same hospital room as our case tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. On day 25, our patient tested SARS-CoV-2 positive by real-time PCR (RT-PCR), with a low cycle threshold (Ct) value indicating high virus load. On further analysis of the swab sample, there was no evidence for mutant SARS-CoV-2 variants B.1.1.7, B.1.351 or B.1.1.28.1. Taken together, it appears the patient became infected from the patient in his hospital room. Our patient now presented with fever and respiratory discomfort, and lung auscultation displayed crackles. Despite starting supplemental oxygen (2 l per minute) and antibiotic therapy by ceftriaxone, the patient died from acute renal and respiratory failure on the following day.

Also, the patient had only received one dose, and was only partially protected, if I am reading this correctly. He appeared not to have covid-19 until he was exposed to another patient who did.

In summary, the results of our autopsy case study in a patient with mRNA vaccine confirm the view that by first dose of vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 immunogenicity can already be induced, while sterile immunity is not adequately developed.


Even with two doses, he might have gotten covid-19, he was so ill with other things.

But that Hal guy was absolutely correct here:

I am not a Doctor or a Scientist so I cannot offer a competent medical analysis, but as a layman, from where I sit, this doesn't look so good....
(from the link in the OP)[/quote]

He is a layman, a medical outsider, by his own admission....SO, how come you believe HIM?
 
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Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
I am not a left winger, so, once again, you must be talking to yourself....

But DO show me any "ranting" in my post. And DO note that link is to the original study about this autopsy, conducted by people who ARE NOT "medical outsiders" In case you failed to notice.
I repeat, you are a medical outsider and don't have the credentials to discuss the port mortem.

So you want to disagree with me.
You can't restrain your urges to disagree.

I spent an hour in Pathology Department Tuesday. And you are an outsider.

You join my list of CARM left wingers who disagree with me.
 

Howie

Well-known member
The first part of this article talks about the findings of the study. This is not a scientific document. So don’t complain about that. You can look it up if that’s what you want.

The second part gives the opinions of the host of the program. So don’t start whining that this is just someone’s opinion. He's talking about a new study.

This is just one source, announcing results of this new study.

Thanks for that.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
I have a sarcastic way of seeing positives where others don't. Some of my friends couldn't get accepted to medical school. So they tried Mexico, Latin America etc and transferred later.
Neat deal about foreign schools I have always said, they get plenty more cadavers. (other neat deal is most teach in English and use English text books)

Does Juarez have a medical school?

(For the sake of effective hands-on learning, most medical schools allot one cadaver to every four to six students.)
 

Bonnie

Super Member
I repeat, you are a medical outsider and don't have the credentials to discuss the port mortem.

So is Hal Turner. But he gets a free pass--right? HE knows what everything means in the study and how to apply them?
So you want to disagree with me.
You can't restrain your urges to disagree.

Hal Turner is a medical and science outsider by his own admission. YET--you want US to believe HIS opinion/conclusions about this study?
I spent an hour in Pathology Department Tuesday. And you are an outsider.

Oh, so you spent an hour in the Pathology department Tuesday, going over tissue samples of someone who may have died from covid-19 after one dose of the vaccine? Who was elderly and had lots of other really nasty diseases, like cancer and Ischial colotis and high blood pressure?

Sorry not impressed.
You join my list of CARM left wingers who disagree with me.
I am not a left-winger, just doing research. Anyone can do that. And I do indeed disagree with you on this. But DO explain to me why Hal Turner, a self-proclaimed medical and science outsider, gets a free pass on this and you believe HIM--but not me or the other "medical outsiders" on here? Especially when we present evidence that show you might--horrors!--be incorrect?
 
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Authentic Nouveau

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So is Hal Turner. But he gets a free pass--right? HE knows what everything means in the study and how to apply them?


Hal Turner is a medical and science outsider by his own admission. YET--you want US to believe HIS opinion/conclusions about this study?


Oh, so you spent an hour in the Pathology department Tuesday, going over tissue samples of someone who died from covid-19 after one dose of the vaccine? Who was elderly and had lots of other really nasty diseases, like cancer and Ischial colotis and high blood pressure?

Sorry not impressed.

I am not a left-winger, just doing research. Anyone can do that. And I do indeed disagree with you on this. But DO explain to me why Hal Turner, a self-proclaimed medical and science outsider, gets a free pass on this and you believe HIM--but not me or the other "medical outsiders" on here? Especially when we present evidence that you might--horrors!--be incorrect?
Here we see the reflex to disagree and smear.
Left wing trade mark.

How many autopsies have you done?

Do you know everything?

You don't do research.
 

Thistle

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So is Hal Turner. But he gets a free pass--right? HE knows what everything means in the study and how to apply them?


Hal Turner is a medical and science outsider by his own admission. YET--you want US to believe HIS opinion/conclusions about this study?


Oh, so you spent an hour in the Pathology department Tuesday, going over tissue samples of someone who died from covid-19 after one dose of the vaccine? Who was elderly and had lots of other really nasty diseases, like cancer and Ischial colotis and high blood pressure?

Sorry not impressed.

I am not a left-winger, just doing research. Anyone can do that. And I do indeed disagree with you on this. But DO explain to me why Hal Turner, a self-proclaimed medical and science outsider, gets a free pass on this and you believe HIM--but not me or the other "medical outsiders" on here? Especially when we present evidence that you might--horrors!--be incorrect?
Even the world health organization is saying that children should not be taking these vaccines. These are not FDA approved vaccines. Even federal law says that you can't be forced to take a vaccine that is experimental and all of these vaccines are experimental. It also says you can't be pressured into taking an experimental vaccine yet organization after organization is pressuring people making actual threats and policy punishments for refusal to take the vaccine. Again that is a direct violation of federal law. Federal law states that you can't administer experimental vaccines to people without making them aware of the risks. If you have any discussion of the risks it is shut down immediately on social media. This is not a just a matter that there is some smoke, we got a forest fire raging, and somebody needs to pointed it out.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Even the world health organization is saying that children should not be taking these vaccines. These are not FDA approved vaccines. Even federal law says that you can't be forced to take a vaccine that is experimental and all of these vaccines are experimental. It also says you can't be pressured into taking an experimental vaccine yet organization after organization is pressuring people making actual threats and policy punishments for refusal to take the vaccine. Again that is a direct violation of federal law. Federal law states that you can't administer experimental vaccines to people without making them aware of the risks. If you have any discussion of the risks it is shut down immediately on social media. This is not a just a matter that there is some smoke, we got a forest fire raging, and somebody needs to pointed it out.
That isn't my point at all. MY point is, this guy Hal is a medical and scientific outsider by his own admission. But HIS opinions get a free pass from someone who constantly tells us non-medical/scientific folks on here that WE are "medical outsiders."

And I have stated repeatedly on here that NO ONE should be forced to get the vaccine.

Actually, I believe young children should not get the vaccine, since the number of cases in this country has dropped so precipitously.
 
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Magdalena

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So is Hal Turner. But he gets a free pass--right? HE knows what everything means in the study and how to apply them?


Hal Turner is a medical and science outsider by his own admission. YET--you want US to believe HIS opinion/conclusions about this study?


Oh, so you spent an hour in the Pathology department Tuesday, going over tissue samples of someone who died from covid-19 after one dose of the vaccine? Who was elderly and had lots of other really nasty diseases, like cancer and Ischial colotis and high blood pressure?

Sorry not impressed.

I am not a left-winger, just doing research. Anyone can do that. And I do indeed disagree with you on this. But DO explain to me why Hal Turner, a self-proclaimed medical and science outsider, gets a free pass on this and you believe HIM--but not me or the other "medical outsiders" on here? Especially when we present evidence that you might--horrors!--be incorrect?

You did exactly what I predicted you would. Try to discredit the reporter. Can you not even help yourself?
 

Magdalena

Well-known member
I am not a left winger, so, once again, you must be talking to yourself....

But DO show me any "ranting" in my post. And DO note that link is to the original study about this autopsy, conducted by people who ARE NOT "medical outsiders" In case you failed to notice.

I note this from the original study:



The elderly gentleman was severely ill before he got the vaccine.



This guy was really very, very sick even before the vaccine.



Also, the patient had only received one dose, and was only partially protected, if I am reading this correctly. He appeared not to have covid-19 until he was exposed to another patient who did.




Even with two doses, he might have gotten covid-19, he was so ill with other things.

But that Hal guy was absolutely correct here:


(from the link in the OP)

”Previously symptomless.” Do you know what that means?
 

Thistle

Well-known member
That isn't my point at all. MY point is, this guy Hal is a medical and scientific outsider by his own admission. But HIS opinions get a free pass from someone who constantly tells us non-medical/scientific folks on here that WE are "medical outsiders."

And I have stated repeatedly on here that NO ONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO GET THE VACCINE. NO ONE.

Actually, I believe young children should not get the vaccine, since the number of cases in this country has dropped so precipitously.
We agree on those points. Especially respecting the children. Children do not have the legal capacity to grant consent to an experimental medical treatment. The shut down of discussion the of risks, is a huge medical ethics issue. Because even for adults to give consent they have to be made aware of the risks in plain English, not obscured in technical language. We don't have enough data for that to occur; yet under law it's required. This is a medical ethics nightmare.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
”Previously symptomless.” Do you know what that means?
Yes. Do you know what "sterile immunity" means?

But this doesn't change the fact that this Hal guy is a medical/science outsider by his own admission...so, what gives him the knowledge to interpret the findings in this very scientific medical report?
 

Magdalena

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Yes. Do you know what "sterile immunity" means?

But this doesn't change the fact that this Hal guy is a medical/science outsider by his own admission...so, what gives him the knowledge to interpret the findings in this very scientific medical report?
It’s his show. I told you that in the op, but you went ahead and dumped on the messenger anyway, instead of focusing on the message. I also told you this report didn’t contain the scientific aspects of it. You’ll have to find that elsewhere. It was just reporting that the first post-mortem of a vaccinated person has been done. That’s all. Shoot him for having an opinion on his own show.
 

Rockson

Active member
We agree on those points. Especially respecting the children. Children do not have the legal capacity to grant consent to an experimental medical treatment.
An interesting point. Not sure to what age being a child is over. 16, 18? So if one's are 15 or 14 now and in the next 1-2 years they have manifest vaccine related side effects might this mean a massive class action law suit for billions?
This is a medical ethics nightmare.
What comes to my mind is the scene from Charleston Heston's film "The Planet of the Apes" where he cries out "It's a mad house! It's a mad house!" I still haven't given over to believing that everyone who takes the vaccine that within a year their physical well being will fall apart but by gosh if that really did start happening I can't even imagine the type of world we'd be in. I'm wanting to believe that wont be the case, at least we can hope.
 

Harry Leggs

Super Member
An interesting point. Not sure to what age being a child is over. 16, 18? So if one's are 15 or 14 now and in the next 1-2 years they have manifest vaccine related side effects might this mean a massive class action law suit for billions?

What comes to my mind is the scene from Charleston Heston's film "The Planet of the Apes" where he cries out "It's a mad house! It's a mad house!" I still haven't given over to believing that everyone who takes the vaccine that within a year their physical well being will fall apart but by gosh if that really did start happening I can't even imagine the type of world we'd be in. I'm wanting to believe that wont be the case, at least we can hope.
The C-19 jab seeding for a zombie apocalypse? o_O
 
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