First postmortem study of vaccinated person.

Furion

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I am not a left-winger, just doing research. Anyone can do that. And I do indeed disagree with you on this. But DO explain to me why Hal Turner, a self-proclaimed medical and science outsider, gets a free pass on this and you believe HIM--but not me or the other "medical outsiders" on here? Especially when we present evidence that show you might--horrors!--be incorrect?
Your claims about not being a left-winger are in doubt, sorry.

You thinking you should be believed is pretty lame.

Who is this "we present evidence"?

Clearly the "we" here is you, vibise and backup.

Lololololol.....hahahahaha.....lololol.
 

Thistle

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An interesting point. Not sure to what age being a child is over. 16, 18? So if one's are 15 or 14 now and in the next 1-2 years they have manifest vaccine related side effects might this mean a massive class action law suit for billions?
As far as I know, a child is not the emancipated until the age of 18. But I think you're right on the money with respect to those lawsuits. What has been done with medical statistics during this pandemic is astonishing. On the one hand everything death that could be attributed to COVID-19 was no matter how thin the theory was, on the other hand every death that might have been attributed to the vaccine was explained away is something else, in our voluntary reporting system that is supposed to catch these kinds of correlations. If you didn't know any better you would say The system is not broke, it's fixed.
What comes to my mind is the scene from Charleston Heston's film "The Planet of the Apes" where he cries out "It's a mad house! It's a mad house!" I still haven't given over to believing that everyone who takes the vaccine that within a year their physical well being will fall apart but by gosh if that really did start happening I can't even imagine the type of world we'd be in. I'm wanting to believe that wont be the case, at least we can hope.
My son is in his early 20s and is a soldier at Fort Hood Texas. He recently came home to help me move some things and I can tell you he is an unbelievable physical specimen. In his basic training he was one of only two soldiers in the entire battalion that got a perfect 300 on his physical evaluation. He confided in me the other day in a telephone call that when he was helping me move furniture, that he was experiencing chest pains, and as he described them I recognize them as stress related chest pains, to a degree of severity that he almost asked me to take him to the emergency room. This is exactly what he said to me "dad, if you haven't taken the Covid vaccine don't; I think it's done something to my heart." Sometimes being a procrastinator works to your advantage, but I'm not anxious to get the vaccine now.
 

Howie

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Yes. Do you know what "sterile immunity" means?

But this doesn't change the fact that this Hal guy is a medical/science outsider by his own admission...so, what gives him the knowledge to interpret the findings in this very scientific medical report?
I'm a Democrat outsider. Does that mean I don't know anything about Democrats?
 

Thistle

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I'm a Democrat outsider. Does that mean I don't know anything about Democrats?
You know you'll learn something when Democrats have your arms pinned to the ground and they're pummeling you for 30 or 40 years politically speaking. I think that gives you grounds to get make a couple of observations.
 

Rockson

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My son is in his early 20s and is a soldier at Fort Hood Texas. He recently came home to help me move some things and I can tell you he is an unbelievable physical specimen. In his basic training he was one of only two soldiers in the entire battalion that got a perfect 300 on his physical evaluation. He confided in me the other day in a telephone call that when he was helping me move furniture, that he was experiencing chest pains, and as he described them I recognize them as stress related chest pains, to a degree of severity that he almost asked me to take him to the emergency room. This is exactly what he said to me "dad, if you haven't taken the Covid vaccine don't; I think it's done something to my heart." Sometimes being a procrastinator works to your advantage, but I'm not anxious to get the vaccine now.
And I hardly think what you've shared here should be lightly marginalized as "Well you know it probably wasn't the vaccine that caused it"

Let's everyone be honest. If this happened to your son or daughter I think all would be asking are they REALLY sure these things are safe?

Here's hoping this is just a very temporary situation with your son not to be experienced again.
 

Thistle

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And I hardly think what you've shared here should be lightly marginalized as "Well you know it probably wasn't the vaccine that caused it"

Let's everyone be honest. If this happened to your son or daughter I think all would be asking are they REALLY sure these things are safe?

Here's hoping this is just a very temporary situation with your son not to be experienced again.
Thank you for the kind thoughts and words. It's concerning. The army is kind of an up or out type of organization, and there's a lot of pressure on everyone to be as useful as possible. And if not having the vaccine might make some particular higher up less likely to want to use you, that has a powerful effect in persuading you to get the vaccine. I asked my son if he has seen any medical personnel about this, and he said he doesn't want to do that given he's both up for promotion to sergeant, and he has an application into space force, so again he doesn't want to look like he has got any issues.
 

LifeIn

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The first part of this article talks about the findings of the study. This is not a scientific document. So don’t complain about that. You can look it up if that’s what you want.

The second part gives the opinions of the host of the program. So don’t start whining that this is just someone’s opinion. He's talking about a new study.

This is just one source, announcing results of this new study.

The actual facts reported (not the opinions) are not in the least disturbing. They merely conclude that a person can be vaccinated, and still become infected with a serious case of covid and die from it. That is not surprising. The vaccine is only 95% effective or so. We always knew that it did not protect everyone. It is a lot better than the seasonal flu vaccine, which is normally only 60% effective. I would classify this report as "ho-hum."
 

Magdalena

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The actual facts reported (not the opinions) are not in the least disturbing. They merely conclude that a person can be vaccinated, and still become infected with a serious case of covid and die from it. That is not surprising. The vaccine is only 95% effective or so. We always knew that it did not protect everyone. It is a lot better than the seasonal flu vaccine, which is normally only 60% effective. I would classify this report as "ho-hum."
“Not disturbing.” That about says it all from your side.
 

Furion

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And I hardly think what you've shared here should be lightly marginalized as "Well you know it probably wasn't the vaccine that caused it"

Let's everyone be honest. If this happened to your son or daughter I think all would be asking are they REALLY sure these things are safe?

Here's hoping this is just a very temporary situation with your son not to be experienced again.
I worked with a man who got polio from the vaccine. Brave, tough man, struggled to walk with arm crutches and looked funky doing it, but he did it.

Statistical odds mean nothing to someone like that.

Two of my children took the vaccine with no long term issues, thank God.
 

LifeIn

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I worked with a man who got polio from the vaccine.
I assume you mean the polio vaccine. That is correct. That is because the polio vaccine is a live but weakened polio virus. The covid vaccines used in the US are not of that type. It is impossible to contract covid (or polio) from the covid vaccine.
 

Michael R2

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The actual facts reported (not the opinions) are not in the least disturbing. They merely conclude that a person can be vaccinated, and still become infected with a serious case of covid and die from it. That is not surprising. The vaccine is only 95% effective or so. We always knew that it did not protect everyone. It is a lot better than the seasonal flu vaccine, which is normally only 60% effective. I would classify this report as "ho-hum."
If you read the report supplied by Bonnie in post 2, you will find he did not die from covid. Also, he had only received one shot. The bronchopneumonia was bacterial, not viral. The renal failure was due to chronic conditions. They also report that the viral spread was minimal.
 

Furion

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I assume you mean the polio vaccine. That is correct. That is because the polio vaccine is a live but weakened polio virus. The covid vaccines used in the US are not of that type. It is impossible to contract covid (or polio) from the covid vaccine.
You can just go away.
 

Rockson

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Thank you for the kind thoughts and words. It's concerning. The army is kind of an up or out type of organization, and there's a lot of pressure on everyone to be as useful as possible. And if not having the vaccine might make some particular higher up less likely to want to use you, that has a powerful effect in persuading you to get the vaccine. I asked my son if he has seen any medical personnel about this, and he said he doesn't want to do that given he's both up for promotion to sergeant, and he has an application into space force, so again he doesn't want to look like he has got any issues.
I guess it's understandable how why he'd feel that way.

Again I'm sure we all here wish him all well being and success for the future.
 

Howie

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You know you'll learn something when Democrats have your arms pinned to the ground and they're pummeling you for 30 or 40 years politically speaking. I think that gives you grounds to get make a couple of observations.
Thank you ... 🙂
 

Howie

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If you read the report supplied by Bonnie in post 2, you will find he did not die from covid. Also, he had only received one shot. The bronchopneumonia was bacterial, not viral. The renal failure was due to chronic conditions. They also report that the viral spread was minimal.
Interesting ... pre-vaccine, everyone who died, died from COVID, not chronic conditions. Post vaccine, it's not from COVID, but from chronic conditions ... 🤔

Bunch of "scientific" tunas ... hook, line and sinker.
 

Michael R2

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Interesting ... pre-vaccine, everyone who died, died from COVID, not chronic conditions. Post vaccine, it's not from COVID, but from chronic conditions ... 🤔

Bunch of "scientific" tunas ... hook, line and sinker.
Was covid or the vaccine listed as a contributory cause in this case? Cause of death is ruled on a case by case basis.
There have been confirmed cases of death due to reactions to the vaccine. This does not appear to be one. Nor does it appear to be caused by covid.
 

Howie

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