First postmortem study of vaccinated person.

[Michael R2]

You miss the point.

You miss the point.

I understand your point, but I have never argued the issue as you presented it. And I won't.

Indeed.

Appearances can be deceiving.

Of course they can. In this case, however, the facts presented do not, in my opinion, point to either the vaccine or covid being a contributing cause.
And before AN weighs in with the fact that I am a medical outsider, I will freely admit to that status.

 

[Howie]

I understand your point, but I have never argued the issue as you presented it. And I won't.

Of course they can. In this case, however, the facts presented do not, in my opinion, point to either the vaccine or covid being a contributing cause.
And before AN weighs in with the fact that I am a medical outsider, I will freely admit to that status.

You continue to miss the point of my initial post.

 

[Michael R2]

You continue to miss the point of my initial post.

Then please tell me what your point was.

 

[Howie]

Then please tell me what your point was.

I did. During the pandemic, people who died, died of COVID -- no post-mortems were offered. When it comes to the vaccine, the opposite is true. The quest is to prove the baccine safe, and to ridicule those who resist. The directive being, "get the vaccine, or we will restrict your movement (as soon as we figure out a way around your rights that has the appearance of legality.)

 

[Michael R2]

I did. During the pandemic, people who died, died of COVID -- no post-mortems were offered. When it comes to the vaccine, the opposite is true. The quest is to prove the baccine safe, and to ridicule those who resist. The directive being, "get the vaccine, or we will restrict your movement (as soon as we figure out a way around your rights that has the appearance of legality.)

That is exactly the point I said I understand. It is also an argument I do not use.
Post mortems would have been performed, but are rarely offered up for public consumption.
I take all those numbers offered with a grain of salt.
As to restricting movement, the government cannot do so, but private entities have broader discretion.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

That isn't my point at all. MY point is, this guy Hal is a medical and scientific outsider by his own admission. But HIS opinions get a free pass from someone who constantly tells us non-medical/scientific folks on here that WE are "medical outsiders."

And I have stated repeatedly on here that NO ONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO GET THE VACCINE. NO ONE.

Actually, I believe young children should not get the vaccine, since the number of cases in this country has dropped so precipitously.

You are a medical outsider. And have a robust lack of scientific credentials.

We don't need mumbo jumbo from your left winger Fake Chex sites which smear people.

 

[Temujin]

You are a medical outsider. And have a robust lack of scientific credentials.

We don't need mumbo jumbo from your left winger Fake Chex sites which smear people.

We don't need a medical outsider such as yourself to make dismissive comments about other posters who demonstrate at least as much medical knowledge as you do.

Which isn't hard.

 

[Howie]

That is exactly the point I said I understand. It is also an argument I do not use.
Post mortems would have been performed, but are rarely offered up for public consumption.
I take all those numbers offered with a grain of salt.
As to restricting movement, the government cannot do so, but private entities have broader discretion.

This isn't about you, but about the politicizing of the virus even to harming the country, its bisinesses, and its citizens, just to get rid of Trump who did nothing but good for the country.

 

[Whateverman]

This isn't about you, but about the politicizing of the virus

... which is owned by Republicans and their orange messiah, who declared the virus a "Democrat hoax" just as people began to die.

Own it. Repent, Mr. "pro-life" Christian.

 

[Howie]

... which is owned by Republicans and their orange messiah, who declared the virus a "Democrat hoax" just as people began to die.

Right. Your tribe, the liberal Marxists messiahs, never politicize a thing. Sleep as you watch CNN, do you?

Also, where's your proof Trump called the virus (for which he restricted travel; thereby acknowledging the virus as a reality) a "Democrat hoax?"

Please share that with me ...

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

You did exactly what I predicted you would. Try to discredit the reporter. Can you not even help yourself?

That is the left winger game. Smears-

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

So is Hal Turner. But he gets a free pass--right? HE knows what everything means in the study and how to apply them?


Hal Turner is a medical and science outsider by his own admission. YET--you want US to believe HIS opinion/conclusions about this study?


Oh, so you spent an hour in the Pathology department Tuesday, going over tissue samples of someone who died from covid-19 after one dose of the vaccine? Who was elderly and had lots of other really nasty diseases, like cancer and Ischial colotis and high blood pressure?

Sorry not impressed.

I am not a left-winger, just doing research. Anyone can do that. And I do indeed disagree with you on this. But DO explain to me why Hal Turner, a self-proclaimed medical and science outsider, gets a free pass on this and you believe HIM--but not me or the other "medical outsiders" on here? Especially when we present evidence that show you might--horrors!--be incorrect?

Watch left winger smear Hal Turner

Go ahead and smear me some more. Since i am a medical insider. .with credentials.

You are a science research outsider. No reports from anybody seeing you in a lab, morgue, ER, operating room, ICU...

Arm chair opinions.

 

[Backup]

How many autopsies have you done?
.

now you’re a coroner?

 

[Bonnie]

Watch left winger smear Hal Turner

Go ahead and smear me some more. Since i am a medical insider. .with credentials.

You are a science research outsider. No reports from anybody seeing you in a lab, morgue, ER, operating room, ICU...

Arm chair opinions.

Talking to yourself again? Since I am not a left winger....?

But Hal Turner is not a doctor or scientist, by his own admission, which makes HIM a medical and science outsider, so he really isn't qualified to interpret the findings in this report. But he gets a free pass from the anti-C-vaxxers on here. Why?

Look at all of the accusations here of being a "medical outsider" from one source, said to several different people:

13 year old vaccinated boy died from heart inflammation.

I think this deserves its own thread. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/13-year-old-jacob-clynick-dies-pfizer-vaccine-myocarditis/

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Spike proteins cleave off (break away from) the cell, and leave the injection site, traveling throughout your body and brain, counter to what the dirty vaccine manufacturers, the corrupt FDA and their co-conspirators at the CDC are telling everybody. If you want to understand the science, the...

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Why I still won't take the jab.

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Ivermectin working in India

Here is one source: https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210513/over-_99-percent-hospitalized-2021-covid-patients-unvaccinated It is found on several medical sites. Just Google it. I also had an article on this on this board a week or 2 ago. Do you have trouble reading the...

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Then Turner says this, in the OP link:

"HAL TURNER COMMENTARY

I am not a Doctor or a Scientist so I cannot offer a competent medical analysis,
, but as a layman, from where I sit, this doesn't look so good."

So by his own admission, he is not a doctor or scientist and cannot offer a COMPETENT medical analysis....so, why does HE get a free pass on here?

Can we say this:

Yes, we can....

 

[Bonnie]

Watch left winger smear Hal Turner

Where did I "smear" him? I quoted him, and pointed out he said he isn't a doctor or scientist. That makes him a medical and science outsider--doesn't it?

Go ahead and smear me some more. Since i am a medical insider. .with credentials.

Pointing out "double standards" isn't smearing.

You are a science research outsider. No reports from anybody seeing you in a lab, morgue, ER, operating room, ICU...

I don't see any reports that Hal Turner was in a lab, morgue, or ER operating room. But then, he is NOT a doctor or scientist by his own admission.

"HAL TURNER COMMENTARY
I am not a Doctor or a Scientist so I cannot offer a competent medical analysis, but as a layman, from where I sit, this doesn't look so good." (from link in the OP)

See? NOT a doctor; NOT a scientist, and he admits he cannot offer a "COMPETENT medical analysis."

Arm chair opinions.

So was Turner's. But he gets a free pass from the anti-C-Vaxxers on here--doesn't he?

 

[Bonnie]

Watch left winger smear Hal Turner

Go ahead and smear me some more. Since i am a medical insider. .with credentials.

You are a science research outsider. No reports from anybody seeing you in a lab, morgue, ER, operating room, ICU...

Ah another example! Of course, Turner said THIS in the OP;

"HAL TURNER COMMENTARY
I am NOT a Doctor or a Scientist so I cannot offer a competent medical analysis, but as a layman, from where I sit, this doesn't look so good."

Looks are deceiving.

By HIS own admission, he is not a doctor or scientist--and he admits he cannot offer a COMPETENT medical analysis. Yet, HE gets a free pass on here. Why?

Arm chair opinions.

Talking to yourself again? Since I am not a left winger....?

But look what Turner said, in the OP: "but as a layman, from where I sit..." SIT. Must be from HIS armchair.

But Hal Turner is NOT a doctor or scientist, which makes him a medical and science outsider, so he really isn't qualified to interpret the findings in this report. But he gets a free pass on here--doesn't he?

 

[Magdalena]

Ah another example! Of course, Turner said THIS in the OP;

"HAL TURNER COMMENTARY
I am NOT a Doctor or a Scientist so I cannot offer a competent medical analysis, but as a layman, from where I sit, this doesn't look so good."

Looks are deceiving.

By HIS own admission, he is not a doctor or scientist--and he admits he cannot offer a COMPETENT medical analysis. Yet, HE gets a free pass on here. Why?



Talking to yourself again? Since I am not a left winger....?

But look what Turner said, in the OP: "but as a layman, from where I sit..." SIT. Must be from HIS armchair.

But Hal Turner is NOT a doctor or scientist, which makes him a medical and science outsider, so he really isn't qualified to interpret the findings in this report. But he gets a free pass on here--doesn't he?

I pointed that out in the OP. The purpose of posting this was just to announce the study. Turner gets to give his opinions because it’s his show. But that doesn’t change anything about the report.

 

[Bonnie]

I pointed that out in the OP. The purpose of posting this was just to announce the study. Turner gets to give his opinions because it’s his show. But that doesn’t change anything about the report.

Then why not just post the actual study, minus the comments of a radio show host with no credentials to interpret the report? If it was just to announce the study? I had no problem finding it when I googled it.

Here is the original report, minus any outside commentary:

First case of postmortem study in a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2

We report on an 86-year-old male resident of a retirement home who received vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. Past medical history included systemic arterial hypertension, chronic venous insufficiency, dementia and prostate carcinoma. On January 9, 2021, the man received lipid nanoparticle-formulated...

www.ijidonline.com

International Journal of Infectious Diseases

This elderly man had a host of severe health problems that impacted his health--prostate cancer, chronic venous insufficiency, arterial hypertension, iscemic colitis,, and dementia. He also received only the first vaccine dose and his body did produce an immune response--but not enough to produce "sterile immunity", which means enough to prevent the virus from replicating in the body. But he was exposed to it before, and thus tested positive for the virus,, which the autopsy found in 7 of the 9 organs the doctors looked at. He actually did not have covid-19. He died of acute renal and respiratory failure due to bacterial pneumonia. Not from Covid-19 itself. Or the vaccine.

So Turner was wrong.

 

[Backup]

Left wingers with a total of zero medical credentials are not equipped to discuss the abstract.

I already told you I do baboon heart transplants between brain surgeries and missions to Mars.

 

[Magdalena]

Then why not just post the actual study, minus the comments of a radio show host with no credentials to interpret the report? If it was just to announce the study? I had no problem finding it when I googled it.

Here is the original report, minus any outside commentary:

First case of postmortem study in a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2

We report on an 86-year-old male resident of a retirement home who received vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. Past medical history included systemic arterial hypertension, chronic venous insufficiency, dementia and prostate carcinoma. On January 9, 2021, the man received lipid nanoparticle-formulated...

www.ijidonline.com

International Journal of Infectious Diseases

This elderly man had a host of severe health problems that impacted his health--prostate cancer, chronic venous insufficiency, arterial hypertension, iscemic colitis,, and dementia. He also received only the first vaccine dose and his body did produce an immune response--but not enough to produce "sterile immunity", which means enough to prevent the virus from replicating in the body. But he was exposed to it before, and thus tested positive for the virus,, which the autopsy found in 7 of the 9 organs the doctors looked at. He actually did not have covid-19. He died of acute renal and respiratory failure due to bacterial pneumonia. Not from Covid-19 itself. Or the vaccine.

So Turner was wrong.

You don’t get to tell me how or what to post.

I explained it in the OP, but you immediately went for discrediting the host. Same as you did for Tucker Carlson and others. Poisoning the well. Forget Turner. As I said, it’s his show, he gets to give his opinions. That’s freedom of speech.

You're not qualified to say what caused the man’s death.