That's implied, Theo, but if you need it spelled out, other verses DO talking about REJECTING Jesus such as Jn 3:36 which you even copied. And no, rejeting Christ's atonement is a DELIBERATE action just like TURNING AWAY from the gospel is. EDITEDSorry, but neither verse mentions anything about "rejecting" Jesus.
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.John 3:18 talks about someone who "does not believe".
That is the LACK of an action.
You change that to "rejecting", which is a POSITIVE action.
They are not condemned BECAUSE they allegedly "reject the atonement".
They were condemned ALREADY (prior to) Jesus coming.
They were condemned BECAUSE of their sins.
So again why did Jesus tell his disciples to go and preach the gospel to people for whom he KNEW he was not going to make atonement? Is Jesus just a deceiver? NO, he's NOT. So Jesus had to preach ANOTHER gospel to those people that has NOTHING to do with saving their souls. So what WAS that DIFFERENT gospel, Theo?
John 3:18 Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
They were condemned ALREADY, Theo because God had already determined that they would REJECT the gospel. That's what the word "already means." But those people DON'T KNOW that they were not chosen so they can't say they were NOT chosen.
And again, you keep destroying the gospel by falsely claiming it is an "offer", which the Bible NEVER claims it to be.
No, John 3:18 says they were condemned ALREADY.
The elect will be judged by Christ's righteousness.
The reprobate will be judged by their own sins.
A false and unBiblical claim.
No, they were "condemned ALREADY" (John 3:18) because of their SINS.
Wrong. Nobody was sent to hell or heaven before Jesus came, Theo. If they were, then the cross has NO affect on people. You are rendering the cross meaningless if you claim that God sends people to heaven or hell without the atonement. So it's you who is wrong again.
No, it is their SINS which condemns people.
Again if people's sins are what condemns them, Theo, then WE Christians could not be saved either. But It's whether we accept or reject the ATONEMENT that saves us or condemns us. So your unbiblical beliefs are AGAIN throwing out the cross.
The true gospel is SO EASY that I'm SHOCKED at how difficult it is for Calvinists to understand! Jesus states the gospel BEAUTIFULLY in Jn 3:16 and it is all about BELIEF or LACK of belief in Jesus's atoenement that saves or condemns them. It's SO SIMPLE as written that you don't have to redefine a WORD in it!
"For God so loved the WORLD (everyone) that he gave his Only Son so that whosoever shall BELIEVE in Him (GOD"S ELECT) shall not perish but have eternal life."
It's easy enough for a CHILD to understand. It's FAITH in the atonement that saves us, Theo. People have to BELIEVE that Jesus died for them to be saved and God would NEVER ASK ANYONE to believe in something that did NOT happen for them.
But Jesus said that he has revelaed himself only to little children. (Mt. 11:25, Mt. 18;3) So His words HAVE to be easy enough for a child to understand. So Calvinists have to come to Jesus like a CHILD so they can believe the simple gospel and won't have to redefine a WORD to do it.
Then you reject John 3:18, which says they were "condemned ALREADY" (because of their sins).
It's the same with Judas who was ALREADY DOOMED to destruction. But that could NOT HAPPEND UNTIL JUDAS BETRAYED Jesus. So the word "already" is God's foreknowledge and determination about what is GOING to happen.
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