Theo1689
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So once again you're claiming Calvinists aren't saved.
"For many are called, but few chosen." Matthew 22:14
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So once again you're claiming Calvinists aren't saved.
ReverendRV
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Do you think I'm using Debate Tactics against you, other than the ones I mention?
I said in another Post that the friend entered without the Garment, not entered with a Garment and then took it off. So the assumption is that he had no Garment to lose...
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Carbon
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I wouldn’t worry to much about what he says. He hasn’t quite settled in any one area yet, it’s still developing. Headed in the wrong direction for sure, but there’s always hope. ?
Sorry, I'm not Paraguay.
Theo1689
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I'm ok with debates.
In ancient times, invited (or in this case "called") wedding guests were given a wedding garment at the entrance. So it could be that he entered without the garment. It was his responsibility to have one on. He failed for whatever reason. That's why he was banished to "outer darkness" even though he was called.
I'm not totally against him discarding his garment along the way. I don't want to speculate either way.
Two observations:
- Calvinists readily fall in line with their iconoclastic TD principles to belittle people.
- Calvinists have a hard time trusting in their God's predetermined course for Chalcedon.
Sketo
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This seems to really fly in the face of those who believe that a mere “positive response” to the general call is ok with God. I mean didn’t he positively respond to the general call by “choosing” to show up at the wedding instead of rejecting the invitation and going his own way?
Why didn’t he get his “wedding garment” after “choosing” to show up?
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Carbon
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Carbon
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I agree. ?
Agreed.
Like the ten Virgins parable, one has to be ready before the King or Groom appears. When He appears it's too late.
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guest1
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Spot on brother !
A garment mentioned often in the Bible is spiritual "white clothing":
Rev 3:5 The one who overcomes, this one will be clothed in white clothing. And I will not blot out his name out of the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Rev_3:18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold purified by fire, so that you may be rich; and white clothing, so that you may be clothed, and so that the shame of your nakedness does not appear. And anoint your eyes with eye salve, so that you may see.
Rev_4:4 And around the throne I saw twenty-four thrones. And on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white clothing. And they had crowns of gold on their heads.
We spiritually possess "white clothing" during different occasions but the prime occasion is at repentance or at confession where we are cleansed of our sins by the power of the Cross. Another occasion is martyrdom which Revelation mentions.
Souls are mentioned 491 times in my version of the Bible. So one's soul constitutes a significant portion of who he/she is. Our bodies too are part of who we are. Also, our spirit is mentioned in Rom 8:16:
Rom 8:16: "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God."
First of all, shouldn't the entire Bible support Calvinism? Why the cherry picking?
Second of all, just because you are able to list Bible verse references, doesn't automatically prove that the verses do what you claim them to do. You need to prove your claim.
Noticed that myself.
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guest1
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Yes it’s the equivalent of me saying Genesis 1 through Revelation 22 refutes Calvinism . That’s a much stronger argument than his . Some just like to throw scripture around like that which is eisegesis.
Good point ....
What about the being cast into outer darkness
For the not having a wedding garment.
What you got on that.