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For those of you who support abortion in the case of rape;
- Thread starter stiggy wiggy
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But that is stopping the pregnancy, otherwise she will remain pregnant whether she wants to or not. Your remark didnt reflect realityUnless she aborts.
I am talking to you. If you cant clarify what you mean by woman and mother your argument is meaningless from the start and you are wasting everyone's time.Wasn't talking to you - I don't use personal pronouns with you any more.
How would you know an abortion is murder if you dont know what a wonan or a mother is? You wouldnt.
So what do you mean by a woman and a mother if not an adult female with XX chromosomes and female anatomy with female reproductive organs?
Eightcrackers
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I wouldn't "know that it is murder" even if I agreed with you down the line about womanhood and motherhood, because abortion does not meet the legal definition of murder, and that's the only definition I care about.How would you know an abortion is murder if you dont know what a wonan or a mother is? You wouldnt.
Whatever a woman is, whatever a mother is, abortion is not legally defined as murder.
So you dont know.I wouldn't "know that it is murder" even if I agreed with you down the line about womanhood and motherhood, because abortion does not meet the legal definition of murder, and that's the only definition I care about.
Whatever a woman is, whatever a mother is, abortion is not legally defined as murder.
Eightcrackers
Well-known member
No.So you dont know.
The only definition of murder that matters when it comes to prevention and punishment, is the legal one.
How many legs does a horse have, if you call a tail a leg?
Four.
The only definitions that matter and are relevant are the evidence based ones that reflect reality. Not the dehumanising ones that suit people's selfishness and perversions which are made legal for them.No.
The only definition of murder that matters when it comes to prevention and punishment, is the legal one.
How many legs does a horse have, if you call a tail a leg?
Four.
What do you mean by a 'horse' ?
Eightcrackers
Well-known member
OK - the evidence that abortion is not murder isThe only definitions that matter and are relevant are the evidence based ones that reflect reality.
1. that it is legal, and
2. murder is illegal.
If you are saying that it is murder despite this evidence, let's have your definition of murder.
At long last.
You have had my definition of murder but we havent had your definition of woman or mother, except 'whatever'.OK - the evidence that abortion is not murder is
1. that it is legal, and
2. murder is illegal.
If you are saying that it is murder despite this evidence, let's have your definition of murder.
At long last.
Lets hear that first, and then I will repeat the definition of murder.
Eightcrackers
Well-known member
Really? Where?You have had my definition of murder
As I said, I will go with your definitions - I simply do not care for the purposes of discussions on abortion.You have had my definition of murder but we havent had your definition of woman or mother, except 'whatever'.
I don't see how it's murder even assuming your definitions.
Been presented numerous times.Really? Where?
But you haven't. You have said pregnant person rather than pregnant mother or pregnant woman.As I said, I will go with your definitions
Eightcrackers
Well-known member
Does the definition of woman affect the morality of abortion?But you haven't. You have said pregnant person rather than pregnant mother or pregnant woman.
If not, why harp on it?
What is your understanding of the definition of 'woman' ? when we have established that I can answer your question.Does the definition of woman affect the morality of abortion?
If not, why harp on it?
Eightcrackers
Well-known member
As I've said countless times, I mean by "woman" what you mean by "woman".What is your understanding of the definition of 'woman' ? when we have established that I can answer your question.
Anything to cut through this insipid deflection and dodging you keep trying.
It affects it because only a woman can be pregnant.Does the definition of woman affect the morality of abortion?
If not, why harp on it?
But the act of aborting a baby is immoral no matter how someone tries to justify it.It affects it because only a woman can be pregnant.
Well quiteBut the act of aborting a baby is immoral no matter how someone tries to justify it.
Authentic Nouveau
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So you oppose science. The heart monitor is used to assure the baby is dead before chopping into parts for extraction.I wouldn't "know that it is murder" even if I agreed with you down the line about womanhood and motherhood, because abortion does not meet the legal definition of murder, and that's the only definition I care about.
Whatever a woman is, whatever a mother is, abortion is not legally defined as murder.
D&E is the name of the procedure.
Eightcrackers
Well-known member
Murder is a legal term, and abortion is not considered murder under the law.So you oppose science. The heart monitor is used to assure the baby is dead before chopping into parts for extraction.
D&E is the name of the procedure.
The End.
(You have some other definition of murder? "Moral" murder? Good for you - the law doesn't care.)
So rhe law is unjust.Murder is a legal term, and abortion is not considered murder under the law.
The End.
(You have some other definition of murder? "Moral" murder? Good for you - the law doesn't care.)