He believed first and that belief sustains everything in believers.
He believed first and that belief sustains everything in believers.
G
guest1
Guest
Take your new age gnosticism to that forum it doesn't belong here. Here is the link
New Age
forums.carm.org
Why does One need to know something that doesn't and can't exist in and with Him? And why would God need to know something that isn't true or doesn't exist, do you think God entertains Himself pondering such nonsense?
If you disbelieve God believes, then that makes you a unbeliever and the gnostic silly.
Sketo
Well-known member
He’s on Twitter @CCalvinism answering questions now, and still ripping through Leightons arguments. If you think you can do better then come help Leighton out… he definitely needs the help.
p.s. The Consistent Calvinism Podcast has just released episode 8.
Sethproton
Well-known member
Thanks. But since it appears that he is going to reiterate the arguments I have been hearing on this forum for a decade, I can stay here and get the same thing
Sketo
Well-known member
If God, immutably, knows that by creating you you will certainly end up in hell… how is he not determining that you will end up in hell simply by creating you?
Sethproton
Well-known member
To Sketo
I understand the logic, yet God asks each man, "Why will you choose death?"
If God created them, determining them for hell why does He offer a way out?
What is the purpose in an escape offer when God knows they won't take it?
I understand the logic, yet God asks each man, "Why will you choose death?"
If God created them, determining them for hell why does He offer a way out?
What is the purpose in an escape offer when God knows they won't take it?
Sketo
Well-known member
How does this answer my question… unless you are suggesting that God’s, immutable, foreknowledge, before he creates, is faulty?
You also must answer your own question without destroying God’s foreknowledge in the process.
If you are not suggesting that the offer can result in something different than God’s, immutable, foreknowledge then what is the point of your question?
Sethproton
Well-known member
You are right I was not answering your question, because nobody can. You are asking about something that even if God gave you the definitive answer, you would reject it.
Instead, I was pointing out other facts in the Bible, what God has told us about Himself.
Sethproton
Well-known member
Would have been interesting if they had proposed that question to Jesus while He walked the earth. But since it comes from a position of doubt, His answer may not have satisfied those without faith. But it is worth praying for an answer.
Sethproton
Well-known member
We are given the answer to your question. The law was given so that people could understand they are sinners.
And we may be given the answer to his question as well, but I don't know what it is. My effort would be to think about what God has told us in that area and pray for further insight.
Theo1689
Well-known member
A perfect example of this poster trying to completely control discussion by ignoring questions by others, only to demand we answer his questions instead.
That's not how respectful discussion works.
Theo1689
Well-known member
I can't anywhere in the Bible where it says, "God asks each man, 'Why will you choose death'?"
What verse are you citing?
Why do you ASSUME that "why will you choose death?" is INTENDED as "an escape offer"?
Sethproton
Well-known member
I was not quoting a verse directly, but was referencing Eze 33:11 where you can see the concept of choice offered
Theo1689
Well-known member
Well, maybe you should pay better attention when you post, especially if you want people to respond to what you bring up.
Ezek. 33:11 Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Okay, let's compare....
YOU said: "yet God asks each man, "Why will you choose death?"
1) Ezek. 33:11 is about ISRAEL, not about "each man" in the world. So you are WRONG.
2) Ezek. 33:11 does NOT say "choose death". You ASSUME the idea of "choosing", as it is NOT in the text. So you are WRONG again.
3) Ezek. 33:11 says NOTHING about any "offer". So you are WRONG yet AGAIN.
This is why you never cite or quote your proof-texts, Seth.
Because you know that if you do, we can see that they do NOT say what you falsely CLAIM they say.
Sethproton
Well-known member
Turning back away from death is a choice that God is calling them to take.
Theo1689
Well-known member
That is YOUR assumption and YOUR personal opinion.
That is NOT what Scripture says.
You can believe whatever you want, Seth.
But A's and C's based our beliefs on SCRIPTURE.
Sethproton
Well-known member
It is exactly what Ezekiel says. It is right there in the plain reading of the word.
Theo1689
Well-known member
Nope.
1) He did NOT say "every man" (he said, "O house of ISRAEL").
2) He did NOT say "choose".
3) He did NOT say "offer".
You can add to Scripture all you want, Seth, but I advise against it. God tells me there are dire consequences for adding to God's word.