Foreknowledge: How Does God Know?

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TomFL

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preacher4truth said:
Your antagonism and straw man arguments are callow behaviors.

I'm not going to be drawn into a long, silly, asinine, day by day by day argument with you the heretic as others are on here. It's not worth my time, go find another cove to troll in.
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Look in a mirror

you were the one who introduced a callow remark
 
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Septextura said:
See post #485.
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No need to

Defend your unbiblical assertion

Except your idea that God has determined all the sin in the world is totally unbiblical

James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.
James 1:14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
James 1:15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
James 1:16 ¶ Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers.
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

1Cor. 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.

Jer. 19:5 —ESV
“and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind—”
 
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Septextura said:
But I'm glad I got in on this thread at the end, and had the opportunity to put into words what I thought I know. @Sketo pretty much nailed this one.
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You need to deal with your unbiblical notions as does Sketo

If you hold God determined everything you are unbiblical

for the bible clearly reveals God is not the cause of all the sin in the world

and if God did not cause of all the sin in the world you need to deal with his knowing of it or you embrace open theism
 
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Septextura said:
There's nothing else to know regarding the creation other than what God decreed and created. There are no contingencies due to creatures doing what they want. There's no plan B. God doesn't learn anything new from the creation. It is exactly how He wants it to be. Literally as a potter making a clay pot. Really simple.

God cannot know what he has not determined.

The wording can come off confusing but actually we are overthinking it.
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That is open theism
 
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Septextura said:
Nope. You're embarrassing yourself now. I already posted the definitions.

Open Theism
"God is omniscient" about "settled" reality, but the future that God "leaves open" can be known only as open "possibility" without specific foreknowledge.

Calvinism
"God knows the future because he preordains it."
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You left your previous statement out

God cannot know what he has not determined.
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that statement indicating that God cannot now what he determined is open theism

And the claim that God has determined all things runs into the biblical fact he is not the cause of all of mans sin

Jer. 19:5 —ESV
“and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind—”

James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.
James 1:14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
James 1:15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
James 1:16 ¶ Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers.
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

1Cor. 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.

so you have problems
 
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Septextura said:
Not my statement, I copied it from one of your posts and explained it to you. I see this whole topic is out of your payroll I'm afraid.
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You copied it into your words

But you have enough problems with your unbiblical claim that makes God the author of all the sin in the world
 
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