Forgotten Trinity: He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

"The Forgotten Trinity" by James White on page 190-191...

We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the Substance...The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son...So that in all things, as was said before, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.


Whereas the Bible says...

Matthew 1:18-20 NKJV... Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.


TRINITARIANS...

1.) Must a person believe "the Holy Spirit is of the Son" rather than "the Son is of the Holy Spirit" in order to be saved?

I say No.

2.) If you said No... Would it be "another gospel" to add the requirement that someone must believe "the Holy Spirit is of the Son" in order to be saved?

I say Yes.


Here is how I describe the distinctions between the Father, the Son, the Spirit, and YAH...

YAH is spirit and is the only one who is eternal. YAH is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. YAH in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, YAH in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal YAH is called God the Father.

YAH

Psalm 68:4 NKJV... Sing to God, sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, By His name YAH, And rejoice before Him.

is spirit
John 4:24 NKJV... “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

and is the only one who is eternal...
Deuteronomy 33:27 NKJV... The eternal God is your refuge, And underneath are the everlasting arms; He will thrust out the enemy from before you, And will say, ‘Destroy!’
Isaiah 37:16 NKJV... “O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, the One who dwells between the cherubim, You are God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.

YAH is also in the universe as spirit
Genesis 1:2 NKJV... The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

and as a human...
1 Timothy 3:16 NKJV... And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

YAH in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God
Genesis 1:2 NKJV... The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

YAH in the universe as a human is called the Son of God
Luke 1:35 NKJV... And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

and eternal YAH is called God the Father.
1 Corinthians 8:6 NKJV... yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
 
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"The Forgotten Trinity" by James White on page 190-191...

We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the Substance...The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son...So that in all things, as was said before, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
Is White just quoting the Athanasian Creed here?
 
Is White just quoting the Athanasian Creed here?

Yes.

He prefaces his quote of the Athanasian Creed with this statement...

The so-called "Athanasian Creed" was not, historically, the work of
Athanasius himself. But since it bore such a resemblance to his teaching, his
name was attached to it. It is an expansion of the Nicene Creed penned probably
in the fifth century or so. A careful reading of the text is most useful in
recognizing the elements of the doctrine that must be kept in balance with one
another.

Don't forget to answer the two questions from the OP. :)

Whereas some Trinitarians who quote the Athanasian Creed leave out the first and last sentences. James White only removed the first but left the last...

He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

That would mean that he agrees with the statement.
 
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1.) Must a person believe "the Holy Spirit is of the Son" rather than "the Son is of the Holy Spirit" in order to be saved?



2.) If you said No... Would it be "another gospel" to add the requirement that someone must believe "the Holy Spirit is of the Son" in order to be saved?
1. No

2. Yes

It is an anathema found outside of scripture.
 

johnny guitar

Active member
"The Forgotten Trinity" by James White on page 190-191...

We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the Substance...The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son...So that in all things, as was said before, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.


Whereas the Bible says...

Matthew 1:18-20 NKJV... Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.


TRINITARIANS...

1.) Must a person believe "the Holy Spirit is of the Son" rather than "the Son is of the Holy Spirit" in order to be saved?

I say No.

2.) If you said No... Would it be "another gospel" to add the requirement that someone must believe "the Holy Spirit is of the Son" in order to be saved?

I say Yes.


Here is how I describe the distinctions between the Father, the Son, the Spirit, and YAH...

YAH is spirit and is the only one who is eternal. YAH is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. YAH in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, YAH in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal YAH is called God the Father.

YAH

Psalm 68:4 NKJV... Sing to God, sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, By His name YAH, And rejoice before Him.

is spirit
John 4:24 NKJV... “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

and is the only one who is eternal...
Deuteronomy 33:27 NKJV... The eternal God is your refuge, And underneath are the everlasting arms; He will thrust out the enemy from before you, And will say, ‘Destroy!’
Isaiah 37:16 NKJV... “O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, the One who dwells between the cherubim, You are God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.

YAH is also in the universe as spirit
Genesis 1:2 NKJV... The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

and as a human...
1 Timothy 3:16 NKJV... And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

YAH in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God
Genesis 1:2 NKJV... The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

YAH in the universe as a human is called the Son of God
Luke 1:35 NKJV... And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

and eternal YAH is called God the Father.
1 Corinthians 8:6 NKJV... yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
The Son sends The Holy Spirit; He is NOT of The Holy Spirit.
 
The Son sends The Holy Spirit; He is NOT of The Holy Spirit.

You forgot to answer the two questions from the OP.

Are you ABLE to answer the questions...

1.) Must a person believe "the Holy Spirit is of the Son" rather than "the Son is of the Holy Spirit" in order to be saved?

I say No.

2.) If you said No... Would it be "another gospel" to add the requirement that someone must believe "the Holy Spirit is of the Son" in order to be saved?

I say Yes.
 

johnny guitar

Active member
You forgot to answer the two questions from the OP.

Are you ABLE to answer the questions...

1.) Must a person believe "the Holy Spirit is of the Son" rather than "the Son is of the Holy Spirit" in order to be saved?

I say No.

2.) If you said No... Would it be "another gospel" to add the requirement that someone must believe "the Holy Spirit is of the Son" in order to be saved?

I say Yes.
NO to both in 1)
YES to 2)
 
Not sure what you mean by OF The Son.

That is a phrase used in the TRINITARIAN Athanasian Creed, which states...

The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone, not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and OF the Son, neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.


The Holy Spirit proceeds from and is sent by The Son.

In another thread on the topic of "proceeding", YOU said...

Proceed and send are NOT the same meaning.

So what is the meaning of "proceeds" in your statement above?

And what is the meaning of "sent" in your statement above?
 
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johnny guitar

Active member
That is a phrase used in the TRINITARIAN Athanasian Creed, which states...

The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone, not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and OF the Son, neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.




In another thread on the topic of "proceeding", YOU said...



So what is the meaning of "proceeds" in your statement above?

And what is the meaning of "sent" in your statement above?
Look up the words in the dictionary.
 
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