Forgotten Trinity: The Son is not the Spirit.

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Eliezer, the son of Jose the Galilean, calls the Gentiles poor "goyyim dawim," because they would not accept the Torah (Mek., Yitro. 62a), referring to Hab. iii. 6 and Ps. cxlvii. 20
Josiah holds that every idolatrous heathen is an enemy of Israel (Mek., Mishpaṭim, 99a).
Jonathan insists that eclipses are of bad augury for Gentiles only, according to Jer. x. 2 (Mek., Bo, 19b).
Simon ben Jose likens Israel to a stone, and the Gentiles to a potsherd (Isa. xxx. 14), applying the proverb: "If the stone falls on the pot, wo to the pot; if the pot falls on the stone, wo to the pot." This he offered as a consolation to persecuted Israel (Esther R. iii. 6).
Hezekiah b. Hiyya deduces from II Kings xx. 18 that he who shows hospitality to a heathen brings the penalty of exile upon his own children (Sanh. 104a).
Johanan bar Nappaḥa … lays stress on the fact that God offered the Law to all nations, who refused to accept it ('Ab. Zarah 2b); therefore while the virus of lust that the serpent injected into Eve was neutralized in Israel, the "nations of the world" still have it in their blood (Shab. 145b; Yeb. 103b; 'Ab. Zarah 22b)…. the Torah was given as a heritage to Israel, a non-Israelite deserves death if he studies it (Sanh. 59a).
Assi is the author of the injunction not to instruct the Gentile in the Torah (Ḥag. 13a).
Tanhuma …likens the nations to wolves and Israel to a lamb (Pesiḳ. R. ix. [ed. Friedmann, p.32a]).
The seven nations in the Holy Land were to be exterminated for fear they might teach the Israelite conquerors idolatry and immoral practises (Deut. vii. 1-6, xviii. 9-14, xx. 16-18);
The Gentiles were so strongly suspected of unnatural crimes that it was necessary to prohibit the stabling of a cow in their stalls ('Ab. Zarah ii. 1).

Also Jesus seemed to know nothing about Jews and Christians fellowshipping together in the synagogues.
Matthew 23:34
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Matthew 10:17-18
17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mark 13:9
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Luke 12:11
11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
Luke 21:12
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
John 16:2
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.​

 
"That sounds reasonable but Jewish history does not reflect that. When we first encounter Paul he is persecuting Christians. That persecution never ended.
Jewish Encyclopia-Gentiles
Gentiles May Not Be Taught the Torah.
Also Jesus seemed to know nothing about Jews and Christians fellowshipping together in the synagogues." Quote from OldShepherd.

I am not denying the fact that Gentiles were not taught the Torah as Jewish people were. Gentiles only attended the Sabbath services in the synagogue. Jews decided to translate the Tanakh into Greek because so many Jews that lived outside of Israel no longer spoke or understood Hebrew, which allowed the Gentiles to understand it.

The Mosaic Covenant has nothing whatsoever to do with Gentiles but only has to do with the Israelites. However, the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants had to do with Jews and Gentiles. God has only made the Mosaic Covenant obsolete because the Messiah has fulfilled the puritanical, sacrificial, and moral obligations of this covenant. The other two covenants are still in the process of being fulfilled. The Mosaic Covenant, or Old Covenant, was replaced by the New Covenant whose mediator was the Messiah. This was the point that Paul was making in 2 Corinthians 3.

The persecution of Christians, whether by the Jews or Romans, did not prevent the Christian faith from growing and remaining until this day. The Gentiles who attended the synagogues were not Christians, although many were converted to Christianity after hearing Paul, and other apostles or evangelists, speaking about Jesus being God’s Messiah. After their conversion, they were no longer allowed to attend the synagogue. Paul also proved from the Tanakh that the Messiah had to suffer and die and be raised from the dead. This disproved the notion of the Jews that the Messiah would not be able to die.

According to the New Testament Gentiles in foreign nations attended the synagogue as is recorded for us by Luke. Then Paul stood up (in the synagogue), and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience. Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. Acts 13: 16 & 29 Paul referred to the Gentiles as those who feared God. Is this record untrue? Gentiles who lead a godly life were also respected by the Jews, even a Roman centurion called Cornelius. The men replied, ‘We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you (Peter) to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.’ Acts 10: 22 NIV

No doubt this practice was abolished after the Jews stopped using the Greek translation of the Tanakh at the beginning of the second century. It could very well be that this custom was not tolerated in Judea or Galilee and there would have been no Christians in the synagogues during Christ’s earthly ministry because the Christian church did not exist then.
 
The Forgotten Trinity is a concise, understandable explanation of what the Trinity is and why it matters.

Since you have read that book, are you able to answer my questions below.


“The Forgotten Trinity” by James White on page 131…

There are three divine persons, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father.


Whereas the Bible says...

2 Corinthians 3:17... Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.


TRINITARIANS, I have two questions for you...

Does "the Lord" in 2 Corinthians 3:17 refer to "the Son of God"?
I say Yes.

Does "the Spirit" in 2 Corinthians 3:17 refer to "the Spirit of God"?
I say Yes.
 
So according to your TRINITARIAN view, this verse...

2 Corinthians 3:17... Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.


...would mean...

2 Corinthians 3:17... Now the Son of God is the Spirit of God, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
Strawman. Means NO such thing.
 
TRINITARIANS, I have two questions for you...
Does "the Lord" in 2 Corinthians 3:17 refer to "the Son of God"?
I say Yes.
Does "the Spirit" in 2 Corinthians 3:17 refer to "the Spirit of God"?
I say Yes.

The context of 2 Corinthians 3:17 provides several facts which prove beyond any doubt that the answer to both of these questions is YES.

However, those Scriptural facts destroy the Trinity. You just can't say Person 2 is Person 3 in the doctrine of the Trinity or it disintegrates. And so these facts do not serve their creedal idol. Because it does not serve the idol they have manufactured for themselves, Trinitarians readily and shamefully reject these contextual facts for the sake of loving their own lies instead.

And then they pretend otherwise and expect everyone to accept their dishonest behavior. They do this because they do not love the truth.
 
The context of 2 Corinthians 3:17 provides several facts which prove beyond any doubt that the answer to both of these questions is YES.

However, those Scriptural facts destroy the Trinity. You just can't say Person 2 is Person 3 in the doctrine of the Trinity or it disintegrates. And so these facts do not serve their creedal idol. Because it does not serve the idol they have manufactured for themselves, Trinitarians readily and shamefully reject these contextual facts for the sake of loving their own lies instead.

And then they pretend otherwise and expect everyone to accept their dishonest behavior. They do this because they do not love the truth.

If you agree that 2 Cor 3:17 calls Jesus the Holy Spirit, then why are you still a unitarian?

The Holy Spirit is eternal...
 
The immediate context of vs. 17 shows clearly that "the Lord is that spirit" clearly refers to Jesus.
2 Corinthians 3:13-17

13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
vs. 14 Reading of the Old Testament the vail is done away in Christ.
vs. 16 When Israel shall turn to the Lord the vail is taken away.
vs. 17 the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
So is that spirit referring to Jesus the Holy Spirit? If it is then Jesus is the Holy Spirit but Trinitarians teach the Son is not the Holy Spirit.
 
If you agree that 2 Cor 3:17 calls Jesus the Holy Spirit, then why are you still a unitarian?

The Holy Spirit is eternal...
If you don't agree that Jesus is that Spirit in 2Cor 3:17 please tell us who is the Lord that is that spirit.
 
So is that spirit referring to Jesus the Holy Spirit? If it is then Jesus is the Holy Spirit but Trinitarians teach the Son is not the Holy Spirit.
You don't like what scripture says have a little talk with Jesus, tell Him all about your troubles, He will hear your every cry and He will answer by and by.
 
You don't like what scripture says have a little talk with Jesus, tell Him all about your troubles, He will hear your every cry and He will answer by and by.

Intentionally conflating your desired beliefs with the actual Scriptural text won't make them the same thing.
 
The Holy Spirit is eternal.. only God is eternal.

You say Jesus is the Holy Spirit in 2 Cor 3:17..

But yet claim that Jesus is not God?

Yeah that's right.

Maybe this will help it sink in:

17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
 
Yeah that's right.

Maybe this will help it sink in:

17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

So you're blaspheming the Holy Spirit, who is the eternal, one, Spirit, saying that He is not God.
 
Yeah that's right.

Maybe this will help it sink in:

17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
The Spirit of The Lord is The Holy Spirit.
 
So you're blaspheming the Holy Spirit, who is the eternal, one, Spirit, saying that He is not God.

17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

And you call that blasphemy?
 
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

And you call that blasphemy?

Yes, the Spirit is the Image of God. So what? He is an eternal person.

You say the Holy Spirit is not God and that is blasphemy.
 
The Spirit is what God is just as flesh is what you are.

The Spirit is an eternal PERSON.

Ezekiel 11:5
Then the Spirit of the LORD came on me, and he told me to say: “This is what the LORD says: That is what you are saying, you leaders in Israel, but I know what is going through your mind.
 
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