Fourth COVID wave worsening

shnarkle

Well-known member
Please, in your own words, explain the conspiracy.

Who are the bad guys?
What are they up to?
Why?
The CDC, NIH, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. When vaccines which produce more than 50 deaths are immediately removed, the system is working properly. When all vaccines that have been taken off the shelf over the last 30 years are eclipsed in less than a year by Covid gene therapies which have already killed more than double, why does that not bother you?

Who needs an experimental gene therapy that offers nothing more than a reduction in mild symptoms along with unknown long lasting side effects? What's wrong with Tylenol or ibuprofen?

When the CDC, NIH, WHO etc. etc. are all patent holders, or heavily invested in the very same vaccines that they're supposed to be regulating; that's called regulatory capture. The wolves are guarding the henhouse.

The amount of profits that they are looking at are incomprehensible. It's human nature to look out for number one, and they're no exception. Conspiracies don't require that many people to pull off. If a hospital is owned by a pharmaceutical company, they set the rules. They can mandate that surgeons and nursing staff be vaccinated or else. People can follow the mandates or they can look for another job. People who need their jobs toe the line.
 

shnarkle

Well-known member
I've thought about that....I don't think you'll get nearly the amount of spikes the jab will generate from a shedder.
Why not? The EAU applications to the FDA point out that the results are identical. it's the same process. Granted inhalation or skin contact isn't going to flood the body with gazillions of mRNA spike proteins, but as soon as it does begin to replicate, it's only a matter of time. Once it gets to the spleen, then it's basically infected the whole body, and people start breathing it into the air around them.
 

vibise

Well-known member
The scales will tip in favor of the unvaccinated though because they will probably be more likely to mount a better immune response given that they're immune system hasn't been compromised by these gene therapies that are attacking their bodies.

However, this may not be the case if they've been infected with the spike protein from a vaccinated person. If shedding occurs, then the unvaccinated are essentially being vaccinated with the same gene therapies, and would presumably be plagued by the same problems as those who were jabbed.
I have asked before - why do you insist on calling these vaccines "gene therapies"? They do not fit that definition.

The spike protein is not an infectious agent, and are not transmitted to others from a vaccinated person. If you think otherwise, present the data with a link.
 

vibise

Well-known member
The CDC, NIH, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. When vaccines which produce more than 50 deaths are immediately removed, the system is working properly. When all vaccines that have been taken off the shelf over the last 30 years are eclipsed in less than a year by Covid gene therapies which have already killed more than double, why does that not bother you?

Who needs an experimental gene therapy that offers nothing more than a reduction in mild symptoms along with unknown long lasting side effects? What's wrong with Tylenol or ibuprofen?

When the CDC, NIH, WHO etc. etc. are all patent holders, or heavily invested in the very same vaccines that they're supposed to be regulating; that's called regulatory capture. The wolves are guarding the henhouse.

The amount of profits that they are looking at are incomprehensible. It's human nature to look out for number one, and they're no exception. Conspiracies don't require that many people to pull off. If a hospital is owned by a pharmaceutical company, they set the rules. They can mandate that surgeons and nursing staff be vaccinated or else. People can follow the mandates or they can look for another job. People who need their jobs toe the line.
So you think these federal agencies are seeking short term profits before the supposed number of vaccine deaths becomes so obvious that no one can ignore it? And then what?

Where are the whistle-blowers?
How is it that only RW conspiracy theorists have come up with this idea?
 

Howie

Well-known member
Daily new COVID cases (seven day average) in the US bottomed out around June 21. As expected, deaths bottomed out approximately two weeks later.

Let's compare then to now. The numbers for yesterday will almost certainly rise, since it usually takes a few days for an accurate total to be calculated.

NEW COVID CASES (seven day average)
11,955 - June 21
155,905 - August 27

COVID DEATHS (seven day average)
282 - July 8
1,033 - August 27

There are currently over 100,000 Americans hospitalized because of COVID. This means that approximately 10% of US hospital beds are currently occupied by patients with COVID. Not surprisingly, the situation is worse in the southern Republican states, where a reluctance to be vaccinated is coupled with a refusal to follow any remedial precautions such as wearing masks or practicing physical distancing.

Below are some random newspaper headlines from the past 24 hours:

100,000 more U.S. COVID-19 deaths projected for 2021

Texas
reports most COVID-19 cases in schools in a single week yet

Florida averages 250 COVID deaths a day; children top infections, positivity rates

'There is no room to put these bodies,' Alabama health official says as COVID-19 deaths climb

Hurricane set to strike Louisiana just as COVID infections surge

Mississippi hospitals are overrun with COVID patients

COVID-19 cases in Georgia nearing last winter's peak


In short, the situation in the US is very bad, and getting worse.
Worsening in relation to what?
 

Bonnie

Super Member
So you think these federal agencies are seeking short term profits before the supposed number of vaccine deaths becomes so obvious that no one can ignore it? And then what?

Where are the whistle-blowers?
How is it that only RW conspiracy theorists have come up with this idea?
And ibuprofen and Tylenol will be useless to lungs overwhelmed with inflammation, so that the sufferer cannot get enough oxygen, and must be put on a respirator, or, worse yet, a ventilator, because he cannot breathe on his own.
 

Reepicheep

Active member
Worsening in relation to what?

The statistics I presented are:

NEW COVID CASES (seven day average)
11,955 - June 21
155,905 - August 27

COVID DEATHS (seven day average)
282 - July 8
1,033 - August 27

Clearly, the number of daily new COVID cases and daily COVID deaths has risen over the past two months, so to answer your question, the current COVID situation is worse relative to the situation two months ago.

An examination of daily statistics shows that the number of daily deaths and new cases is still rising, so a month from now the situation will almost certainly be worse than it is today.
 

Howie

Well-known member
The statistics I presented are:

NEW COVID CASES (seven day average)
11,955 - June 21
155,905 - August 27

COVID DEATHS (seven day average)
282 - July 8
1,033 - August 27

Clearly, the number of daily new COVID cases and daily COVID deaths has risen over the past two months, so to answer your question, the current COVID situation is worse relative to the situation two months ago.
The death rate for August dropped from June/July, didn't it?
An examination of daily statistics shows that the number of daily deaths and new cases is still rising, so a month from now the situation will almost certainly be worse than it is today.
What?
 

vibise

Well-known member
The death rate for August dropped from June/July, didn't it?

What?
No The number of deaths in July was 282 and in August was 1033, so August had many more than July.

If the case numbers and hospitalization are rising, then the death rate will rise going forward. Deaths lag case and hospitalizations.
 

Reepicheep

Active member
August had less deaths per case, Vibise.

Deaths trail new cases by approximately two weeks, so to do the calculation you want to do you will need to compare the daily new case rate for today to the daily death rate in two weeks time.
 

Howie

Well-known member
Deaths trail new cases by approximately two weeks, so to do the calculation you want to do you will need to compare the daily new case rate for today to the daily death rate in two weeks time.
C'mon ... 🙄 You posted the figures, not me. Now you add caveats? Get back to me in two weeks.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
Not even one of the words in your grammatically incorrect sentence makes rational sense as a reply to my post, so I don't think I'll be able to reply. If you rewrite your sentence so it forms a rational thought, I'll consider responding.
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Backup

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The CDC, NIH, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. When vaccines which produce more than 50 deaths are immediately removed, the system is working properly. When all vaccines that have been taken off the shelf over the last 30 years are eclipsed in less than a year by Covid gene therapies which have already killed more than double, why does that not bother you?

Who needs an experimental gene therapy that offers nothing more than a reduction in mild symptoms along with unknown long lasting side effects? What's wrong with Tylenol or ibuprofen?

When the CDC, NIH, WHO etc. etc. are all patent holders, or heavily invested in the very same vaccines that they're supposed to be regulating; that's called regulatory capture. The wolves are guarding the henhouse.

The amount of profits that they are looking at are incomprehensible. It's human nature to look out for number one, and they're no exception. Conspiracies don't require that many people to pull off. If a hospital is owned by a pharmaceutical company, they set the rules. They can mandate that surgeons and nursing staff be vaccinated or else. People can follow the mandates or they can look for another job. People who need their jobs toe the line.
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