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So you do not care about what your peers call truth and post only to insultIts not my video. I could care less. Talk to the producer. He can dumb it down for you
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So you do not care about what your peers call truth and post only to insultIts not my video. I could care less. Talk to the producer. He can dumb it down for you
God’s Foreknowledge is Gods perfect knowledge of the results of his own actions.But you're missing the point. It still wasn't God's will for them for them to make wrong choices to end up there.
It seems Calvinists make this about every extreme thing they can imagine what free will must mean but it's not important to prove mankind has "free will" in however extreme way one wants to define it.
Some would ask can someone forbid to go to hell if God says they're going there. All say NO thus mankind does not have free will!
But advocating free will when it comes to one choosing LIFE is a freedom God HAS PROVIDED.
A parent may give their child the freedom to stay out till 9:00 pm. They have the free will choice to do that and no one can argue that they don't. Do they have the free will choice to stay out till 10? No. But they still had freewill as defined by what they were allowed.
I do like your post but I'd say the existence of sin was never God's will, what was his will was the mere allowance of man going a different direction that LIFE. What was his will was that he maintain his character of LOVE, that is if you love something allow it to have freedom.In some sense we have to say the very existence of sin is a form of God's will, in that he could disallow it.
Well said. And he created the potential for he is LOVE and with LOVE there MUST be Liberty.God desires to create potential, without the realization or actualization.
The only imagined thing here is the unjustified claim that the God that perfectly knows the future of his creation, before creation
There is ZERO biblical foundational support for this imaginary idea but you claim it anyway!
The context is thereShouldn't cut quotes out of context.
There it is. Sketo affirms the premise behind open theism
The only imagined thing here is the unjustified claim that the God that perfectly knows the future of his creation, before creation, can also be the same God that “gives” the ability, after creation, to do other than what he perfectly knew.
There is ZERO biblical foundational support for this imaginary idea but you claim it anyway!
Justify your claim…
Go and do likewise when you accuse me of saying something I did not say and also do not quote what you claimed I said but in reality never said what you claimed.Shouldn't cut quotes out of context.
Wow… is this how you also treat Gods word…
You are better than this Tom…
(My quote in context…)
The “free will” position’s claim is that God can be the “perfect knower” before creation, and also be the “free to do other than giver” after creation!
This is the unbiblical, unjustifiable, illogical, claim!
Sketo said:
Wow… is this how you also treat Gods word…
You are better than this Tom…
(My quote in context…)
The “free will” position’s claim is that God can be the “perfect knower” before creation, and also be the “free to do other than giver” after creation!
This is the unbiblical, unjustifiable, illogical, claim!
Good pointDoes God make you sin every time you sin?
Does the devil make you sin every time you sin?
Who is left?
You.
But we have people on here claiming that saying the devil made me sin is wrong, and claiming God made me sin is wrong, yet claiming I have any real free will is wrong.
And they don't even see their own inconsistency and how they constantly contradict themselves, then make up false accusations of misrepresentation like the devil.
Strongholds.
get over yourselfI didn't, you false accuser. And you can't prove I did.
Your not being consistent, is not me quoting you out of context.
Me not agreeing with the logical conclusions you insist have to be, is not me quoting you out of context.
Me not phrasing things exactly to your liking, is not me quoting you out of context.
I don't think you are thinking straight because of spiritual strongholds in your life and so I won't hold it against you.
But if you had integrity, you would apologize.
That is my argument in my OP sherlock with the Flip Wilson video.Does God make you sin every time you sin?
Does the devil make you sin every time you sin?
Who is left?
You.
But we have people on here claiming that saying the devil made me sin is wrong, and claiming God made me sin is wrong, yet claiming I have any real free will is wrong.
And they don't even see their own inconsistency and how they constantly contradict themselves, then make up false accusations of misrepresentation like the devil.
Strongholds.
I lean towards believing the traditional view of Hell but it should be noted that many have different thoughts on what Hell is and it's duration and they feel they've got scripture to back up their views. But let's go with the traditional view....why so servere. I'd say yes because God is LOVE, love will send out the strongest message possible to stay out of spiritual death. If he didn't he wouldn't have done what LOVE should do to ensure the message is clear, don't degeneate the creation with sin.But there is more than a factor of love here, because why do the consequences for rejection/sin necessarily have to be so severe?
Scripture says though that God is LOVE. He doesn't have LOVE he is LOVE. 1 Jn 4:7 . Even judgments of God are a part of his mercy (a manifestation of LOVE) for one can read in the Psalms of judgements he carried out and one reads this seemingly unusual statement with it. For his mercy endures forever! Or his LOVE. Judgement is a manifestation of LOVE after God has waited and has been patient with longsuffering because he is good he cannot allow evil to continue forever. (See below) Ps 136For this I think we need the explanation of holiness, and not love.
I did qualify with "in a sense," the sense he could have prevented the possibility.
Scripture says though that God is LOVE. He doesn't have LOVE he is LOVE. 1 Jn 4:7 . Even judgments of God are a part of his mercy (a manifestation of LOVE) for one can read in the Psalms of judgements he carried out and one reads this seemingly unusual statement with it.
The only imagined thing here is the unjustified claim that the God that perfectly knows the future of his creation, before creation, can also be the same God that “gives” the ability, after creation, to do other than what he perfectly knew.
There is ZERO biblical foundational support for this imaginary idea but you claim it anyway!
Justify your claim…
Did God know for 100% certainty those who end up in hell, before he created them, would end up there?
If you say yes then the very act of creating them is no different then “God -saying- they’re going” there! Nothing can change this without destroying Gods knowledge before he created!
You will never get it. You freely choose not to. Ignorance is your forteSo you do not care about what your peers call truth and post only to insult
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Says the guy who has been unable to address any argumentYou will never get it. You freely choose not to. Ignorance is your forte