Sketo
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So then you do believe God “Authored” his own omniscience of sin before anything existed…
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Free Will Meticulously Examined… and Refuted!
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So then you do believe God “Authored” his own omniscience of sin before anything existed…
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ReverendRV
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Why? Because it's the main support peir that Provisionism is built upon. If you, like Samson, pushed it over; you would slay more Provisionists than you have your entire life...
Provisionists will say they do not assume that, but when you are Saved by your very own Prevenient Faith; that is the Conclusion. On the other hand, if they say Grace prevenes Faith; ask them why in the world are they teaching Total Ability then. Your job is to convince the Lurkers they can do nothing without God; then they will place Grace in it's proper place. Not 'Grace after all we can do' but 'Grace before all we can do'...
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I believe he was omniscient before anything was created just as the bible and historic Calvinist confessions affirm
why do you disbelieve both?
Sketo
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ReverendRV
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How is Omniscience Authored by God?
Sketo
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Would you agree that “Logically speaking”… All knowledge is based on antecedent things?
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ReverendRV
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For us, yes; but God precedes Antecedent 'things'...
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Sketo
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Yes God is the Ultimate Antecedent thing that precedes all other things…
So “logically” God’s foreknowledge is his perfect knowledge of the results of his own action of Planning, Purposing, and Determining All Things before creating them…
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Lol. You're just looking for loopholes in someone's articulation.
God doesn't author or create omniscience. It is part of His nature like omnipotence and omnipresence.
But you have God create and author sin, and blame man for it.
ReverendRV
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Amen...
But why do you include 'Authoring' Sin as part of this, when God said it never entered his Mind to 'Cause' Judah to Sin? I would say that God is the First Cause of All which comes to pass; without God Causing/Authoring Sin. God's 'Meaning' in what comes to pass is always for the Good...
I think the Founders and the Confession of Faith are against God Authoring Sin...
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ReverendRV
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And since God is the Omni-Antecedent, I think his Foreknowledge Logically follows his Decree...
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Sorry but knowing about sin is not authoring sin
Planning and determining sin does
Your view makes God the author of all sin
and makes a mockery of his holiness
Sketo
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“The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.” (Pro 16:4)
“Act 2:22-23 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain”
Act 4:27-28 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.”
How many “planned and determined” sins does it take before it becomes “a mockery of his holiness” again…
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So you believe God planned and determined sin thus is the author of sin
disagreeing with both the WCF and LBC
many of your peers
making them deists or rather dualists by your arguments
while destroying the holiness of God and
making him a curse upon most of mankind
Sketo
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So God is your view is the author of all sin and not holy
Sketo
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Again… God Planned, Purposed, and Determined all things including the sinful actions of man… and he is holy.
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God holiness is predicated on his separateness from sin
there is no separation from sin in your view
God is the author and initiator of it
Sketo
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Since pride and lust are descriptions of thoughts and actions, they do not “originate” as if created. Sin is not a created thing. It is a description of disobedience to God’s law. It is not “created” by God or by us.
Therefore, God can be the metaphysical cause of sinful actions (and thoughts), in fact, these sinful things cannot even occur apart from God’s power to begin with (Heb 1:3, Acts 17:28), therefore your assumption that God needs to be metaphysically distanced from sin is false.
So, when God causes someone to have a sinful thought, the person is indeed having a sinful thought. Causation deals with metaphysics. Sin deals with laws. There is no law for God that says “thou shalt not cause sin”.
At the end of the day, once you realize that sin itself cannot even occur apart from the power of God, then you have no argument. To shy away from this is to commit to semi-deism, and the idea that there are other self-sustained powers ultimately at work in the universe.
Lastly, if Heb 1:3 is true and God upholds your existence moment by moment, then he must choose to exert the power necessary for you to continue to exist in the next moment, even while you sin. Therefore God is determining that such things occur by choosing to exert such power.
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