I quite enjoyed this episode.
Oh wow, two hours, but fortunately it takes less than 16 minutes before we get the beginning of the errors. From 16:14 to 16:44 in the transcript:(snip)
I quite enjoyed this episode.
in in masonry and the 33rd degree
is what's called the shrine so that's
why they're called the shriners
so a mason is not a shriner until he
gets to that 33rd degree
and one once he gets there he's in the
shrine so that's why i say all shriners
not all masons are shriners um
exactly uh you know one thing that i had
um in the information that i have
come up with is uh and if you go to uh
the book um fast facts on false teaching
dr ron carlson ed decker oh great it's a
If you base your beliefs on the false teachings of false teachers (and they are such according to Scripture, John 8:44 and elsewhere), then what you have is not Christianity according to the Bible.
No problem. I haven't posted my mass debunking of antimasons who claim to be Christian.I'm not learned about freemasonry enough to discern which mouthpieces are legitimate. I appreciate the info.
No problem. I haven't posted my mass debunking of antimasons who claim to be Christian.
One thing to remember, over the last few hundred years, millions of Christians have been Masons, including pastors, teachers, theologians, etc. and have found no incompatibility of the organization with Christianity.
Yes, because Freemasonry is not a religion except in the broadest possible sense (belief in a Supreme Being and immortality of the human soul), there have been many Masons who were not Christian, including Jews, Muslims, Hindus and various pagans, since there is no requirement for belief in any specific god as the Supreme Deity and a Mason can believe they are going to Heaven, Nirvana, Valhalla or whatever their personal faith requires of them.
There is some circumstantial evidence that some portion of the Templar teachings and organization rules made it into Freemasonry, not through Spain (I think you might be referring to Portugal), but through Scotland. In broad terms, both the Presbyterian Church and Freemasonry both inherited some elements similar to portions of the Templar Rule (the body of regulations that defined the Knights Templar).Aren't freemasons essentially from the disbanded Templars (moved to Spain, then followed by founding the Jesuits etc)?
There is some circumstantial evidence that some portion of the Templar teachings and organization rules made it into Freemasonry, not through Spain (I think you might be referring to Portugal), but through Scotland. In broad terms, both the Presbyterian Church and Freemasonry both inherited some elements similar to portions of the Templar Rule (the body of regulations that defined the Knights Templar).
Did the Templars form part of the origins of Freemasonry? Don't know and cannot be proven, but it is fairly obvious to me that at some point portions of Freemasonry were laid down by some group familiar with the Templar Rule. Given when Freemasonry became a public group in the early 1700s and the original rules laid down in England, it is entirely possible that the organization was formalized with "traditional rules" derived from the Templar Rule.
"On the morning of the 15th of August, 1534, in the chapel of church of Saint Peter, at Montmartre, Loyola and his six companions, of whom only one was a priest, met and took upon themselves the solemn vows of their lifelong work."
Later, they were joined by Francis Borgia, a member of the House of Borgia, who was the main aide of Emperor Charles V, and other nobles.
Adam Weishaupt (1748–1830) founded the powerful secret society, the Illuminati, on 1 May 1776. He had been educated at the college
Originally and their seat since they were reformed as the Knights of Christ has been in Portugal. I'm not really up on the history of the Knights of Christ, although I know that one of the reasons for their formation was their assistance in the Reconquista.They ended up in both Spain (Aragon) and Portugal (Tomar), having assets there. They got a job to push back the muslims. House of Borgia (Aragon) then takes over the Papal States with 2 popes. Then the reformation begins, the Jesuits are formed from Spain as a military order.
Scottish rite degree Kadosh is from from the Jesuits (which controlled the Jacobins). Their motto ad majorem dei gloriam is used in ceremonies, temples etc. The degree acts as a successor to the Templars tradition.
Adam Weishaupt was educated at the Jesuit College of Ingolstadt.
Point being a lot of these masonic societies seem to be founded/controlled/tied to Roman Catholic military orders, beginning with the Knights Templar.
Have you read Clairvaux's 72 latin rules for Templars? I'm curious if these are learned and practiced in freemasonry.
Can you find a Bible Believing church teaching stuff like this?
Secret Masonic Handshakes, Passwords, Grips
And Signs Of Blue Lodge Masonry
ENTERED APPRENTICE DEGREE
(First Degree in the Blue Lodge)
DUEGARD OF AN ENTERED APPRENTICE
The Duegard of an Entered Apprentice represents the position of the hand when taking the oath of an Entered Apprentice, "my left hand supporting the Bible and my right hand resting thereon."
SIGN OF AN ENTERED APPRENTICE
The sign of the Entered Apprentice alludes to the penalty of the Entered Apprentice's obligation. The sign is made by drawing the right hand rapidly across the neck as shown on the left. The penalty that the sign alludes to is, "having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea at low water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly violate this my Entered Apprentice obligation."
Explanation of the Entered Apprentice sign: Draw the right hand rapidly across the neck as represented and drop the arm to the side. This action shows the penalty of having the throat cut and the tongue ripped out.
GRIP OF AN ENTERED APPRENTICE
The Grip of the Entered Apprentice is made by pressing the thumb against the top of the first knuckle-joint of the fellow Mason, the fellow Mason also presses his thumb against the first Mason's knuckle. The name of this grip is "Boaz". When a candidate is imparted with this grip and its usage it is done in this manner." First the Worshipful Master says to the candidate: "I now present my right hand in token of friendship and brotherly love, and will invest you with the grip and word. As you are uninstructed, he who has hitherto answered for you, will do so at this time." The Worshipful Master of the lodge then has this exchange with the Senior Deacon, who is standing next to the candidate, who is still kneeling at the altar, after have assumed the obligation of this degree: Note: In the following discourse WM stands for Worshipful Master, and SD stands for Senior Deacon. WM: Brother Senior Deacon. SD: Worshipful Master. WM: I hele. SD: I conceal. WM: What do you conceal? SD: All the secrets of a Mason in Masonry, to which this token alludes. (At this time, the candidate is shown the grip of an Entered Apprentice) WM: What is that? SD: A grip WM. Of what? SD: Of an Entered Apprentice. WM. Has it a name? SD: It has. WM: Will you give it to me? SD: I did not so receive it, neither will I so impart it. WM: How will you dispose of it? SD: Letter it or halve it. WM: Letter it and begin. SD: You begin. WM: Begin you. SD: A WM: B SD: O WM: Z WM: (Directing his words to the candidate): "Boaz, my Brother, is the name of this grip, and should always be given in the customary manner, by lettering or halving. When lettering, always commence with the letter, "A".
I definitely wouldn't call them "mainstream". Yes, some portions of the philosophical teachings of Freemasonry can be found in the writings of early Christians who are now "sainted" by the RCC and as I noted, some portions of the monastic Rule of the Templars (and I believe some of the other military orders) can also be inferred, but these are correlations with potential other sources than the RCC.@kamaeq
You can easily research from mainstream sources the direct line between Freemasonry and Rome's military orders. Years, names, places, events. The symbolism clearly shows freemasonry is just one of Rome's tentacles. I doubt anyone is surprised when they progress high enough that the masonic "Xenu" was the Vatican all along. It's all in plain sight, it's hardly a mystery.
The relations between the ecclesiastical and military arm of Rome had few issues in the past that took some reconciling, but ultimately the one hand washes the other and they are irreversibly conjoined.
I only saw one on the videos I watched. IIRC, he correctly states that a certain symbol is to be personally interpreted by each individual Mason, but then a few minutes later blatantly lies and tells what the "real meaning" is, that is, the "real meaning" that pumps the sales of the videos to the ignorant as "proof" that Freemasonry is a cult. From a grifting point of view, it is great, it makes the grifters a lot of money.So, the former FMs who spoke on those shows were all liars ?