Freemasonry and False Christian Cults with Dr. Shawn Waugh

kamaeq

New member
So, the former FMs who spoke on those shows were all liars ?
A quick skim found one that was easy to spot. The claim being that the Bible always refers to God by name (how JWish) and never by the generic term of "Deity", but then "God" is a generic term (the translation of the Arabic word "Allah" is "God") as are many others. The former Freemason, Jack Harris claims that the Bible doesn't speak of God in generic terms like "Deity", but:

Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
(Act 17:22-31)

There is no "name of God" listed in one of the greatest sermons in the world, instead there are several titles of Deity and only one mention of Christ, but then Christ is God since Christians aren't polytheists.

Note that Freemasonry holds a philosophical position on religion, not a religious one. Philosophically, one can show that the creation declares the Creator (stated in both Old & New Testaments) without having to give a name to that Creator. Freemasonry, as an organization, does not "accept" any specific religious figure(s), it simply declines to decide. That is left up to the individual Mason to define for himself according to his own faith.
 

John t

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Before anyone tries to imagine "any Bible believing church teaching stuff like this", perhaps you could provide us with the reason why you think any "Bible believing church" should "teach stuff like this".
Perhaps you think "Bible believing" churches are fraternities or sororities? It appears so from your comment.

Big Hint: They are NOT fraternal organizations. They are not Scouting. They are not sports fan clubs. They are not drinking clubs.

You assume much about my post, and ALL of it is wrong.

Try to read again what I wrote because it is consistent with my sig lines. If you do not understand it, ask me to clarify, K?
 

kamaeq

New member
You assume much about my post, and ALL of it is wrong.

Try to read again what I wrote because it is consistent with my sig lines. If you do not understand it, ask me to clarify, K?
Well the only thing you posted for yourself was:

Can you find a Bible Believing church teaching stuff like this?
Then you linked to an Ephesians5-11 document (and I can post at least a half dozen documents where I show that E5-11 makes false statements and claims from a Christian perspective).
So, my previous reply was correct and I agree, your sig is absolutely correct in its statements, like your former four axioms of apologetics one. So, how about you explain how your one sentence fallacious statement implying that any "Bible Believing church" would teach something from Freemasonry.

I assume we are going to go back to the typical pattern of you never answering the clarifying questions asked of you, a.k.a. Never admitting a mistake. That would be a great place to start actually, why don't you explain why you think ANY Bible believing church would teach the cited Masonic ritual. That would be amusing.

Or, as I said, continue with zero response posts like the one I'm replying too that hint at your "special knowledge". I can still quote the CARM document on certain groups' traits at that kind of behavior.

(sigh), back to having to archive responses again for honesty's sake.
 

John t

Active member
Then you linked to an Ephesians5-11 document (and I can post at least a half dozen documents where I show that E5-11 makes false statements and claims from a Christian perspective
Y A W N

Nothing new. So you condemn all of Ephesians 5:11 group as being false teachers but you do not provide an example of ANYTHING that I posted in this post https://forums.carm.org/threads/fre...ian-cults-with-dr-shawn-waugh.376/#post-21015 as being inaccurate. That is using the logical error called "poisoning the well".

Because the god of this world (Satan) has blinded you to supernatural things, you have no idea of what the Bible teaches, and how to be saved from the second death, which is forever. As the rich man found out, hell is a very painful place to be.

2 Corinthians 4:
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.​
5 For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake.​
I present to you truth, and really, in one way, it does not matter if that Ephesians 5:11 group does makes an error. What REALLY DOES MATTER is your life after this life. It is not gained by reciting arcane rituals, knowing secret hand shakes or secret passwords. It is founded upon the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and the sufficiency of it to permit all who trustingly believe in it to live forever in heaven with Jesus. So far, I have seen no evidences of that in any of the posts we shared over the years. And on that basis, it is my opinion that you are not a born-again Christian.

THAT is what truly matters.
 
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