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Nothing new. So you condemn all of Ephesians 5:11 group as being false teachers but you do not provide an example of ANYTHING that I posted in this post
https://forums.carm.org/threads/fre...ian-cults-with-dr-shawn-waugh.376/#post-21015 as being inaccurate. That is using the logical error called "poisoning the well".
Because the god of this world (Satan) has blinded you to supernatural things, you have no idea of what the Bible teaches, and how to be saved from the second death, which is forever. As the rich man found out, hell is a very painful place to be.
2 Corinthians 4:
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
5 For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake.
I present to you truth, and really, in one way, it does not matter if that Ephesians 5:11 group does makes an error. What REALLY DOES MATTER is your life after this life. It is not gained by reciting arcane rituals, knowing secret hand shakes or secret passwords. It is founded upon the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and the sufficiency of it to permit all who trustingly believe in it to live forever in heaven with Jesus. So far, I have seen no evidences of that in any of the posts we shared over the years. And on that basis, it is my opinion that you are not a born-again Christian.
THAT is what truly matters.
Of course there is nothing new, we are still stuck at you proving why a Christian church would teach something from a secular fraternity, to which you still haven't provided an answer...
Yep, we are back to a failure to answer the questions.
No, my original post totally pointed out the irrelevance of your reposted E5-11 document and single sentence comment.
You failed in this post to "If you do not understand it, ask me to clarify, K?". I did, you didn't. Instead you post a rant about E5-11 being right even if they are "wrong in a few details" and make a big deal about it being "poisoning the well".
Guess what, you 100%, totally, absolutely and completely missed the point (yet again) of my original reply to your one sentence comment ("Can you find a Bible Believing church teaching stuff like this?"). Right or wrong, the entire quote bit in your original post has no relevance to the teachings of Christianity. Your comment claims otherwise and I proved it wrong in my reply.
So, now we have, from you, a reply that falsely accuses me of "not understanding" without you providing any clarification of why a Christian church would teach ANY fraternal order's rituals. You also claim that you will clarify if asked why your claim about churches teaching stuff from a secular fraternity was relevant. In your next reply, quoted at the top, you failed to do so again.
You claim to know that the "god of this world" has blinded me and I don't know what the Bible teaches. Then go on a rant based on your unBiblical accusation. UnBiblical? Why, yes it is.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. (Jer 17:9-10)
Only God can know the heart of any man. Those men who claim otherwise, as you just did in your post, are claiming to have the power of God and therefore claiming to be equal to God. You, neighbor are not equal to God. Your words are not to be trusted over those of God:
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. (Jer 17:5-6)
I present to you truth, and really, in one way, it does not matter if that Ephesians 5:11 group does makes an error. What REALLY DOES MATTER is your life after this life. It is not gained by reciting arcane rituals, knowing secret hand shakes or secret passwords. It is founded upon the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and the sufficiency of it to permit all who trustingly believe in it to live forever in heaven with Jesus. So far, I have seen no evidences of that in any of the posts we shared over the years. And on that basis, it is my opinion that you are not a born-again Christian.
No, you have repeatedly presented that which is not the truth (John 8:44). You have repeatedly claimed that I (and all other regular Masons) must perform the work of leaving Freemasonry to be "really saved" by your teaching (Romans 11:6, Ephesians 2:8-9). You have repeatedly rejected all evidence that Freemasonry does not teach any plan of salvation. You have repeatedly contradicted what Scripture teaches in repeating the doctrines of antimasonry that claims to be Christian. IIRC, I have a copy of the post a few versions of these forums back when you uses the "4 Axioms of Apologetics" as a sig, where I showed how you broke all four of them in your zeal for antimasonry. (Yes, I have copies of the posts, I have to maintain them for reasons that you, I and another know.)
Oh, and thank God your opinion AS A MAN has absolutely NOTHING to do with my salvation through and by Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior.
There you go, I have provided you with Scripture to use as a starting point to refute a number of the points I just made. Let's see if you can actually do so as a Christian apologist and Bible scholar. Maybe you will be the first ever.
Or, you know, just to clear this up, you can finally actually explain why a "Bible believing church" would teach that stuff.
Oh wait... Don't tell me... You actually got confused (or were deliberately confusing) about the difference between a Christian church and a secular fraternity? Trying to make the claim that if a church doesn't teach it, it shouldn't be taught?
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I'll avoid that conclusion on the grounds that it would actually be insulting, not the usual snowflake "he hurt my widdle feelings by proving me wrong" faux injury.