Its rather obviousYes indeed they redefine it to fit their dogma
Its rather obviousYes indeed they redefine it to fit their dogma
It is obvious that God gave His Son as a propitiation for everyone of the world because He loves them.God loves the world
Every person is a part of the world
What was it like to make that change from your former beliefs? What did your Church and family think?It is obvious that God gave His Son as a propitiation for everyone of the world because He loves them.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. (Joh 3:16-17)
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. (1Jn 2:2)
But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. (Heb 2:9)
God bless
I have attended an Arminian church from day one. They were not happy with my Calvinism, so I respected them and never pressed the issue. My wife knew my belief and completely disagreed. She is glad that I’ve come to my senses! ?What was it like to make that change from your former beliefs? What did your Church and family think?
While I was in my independent fundamental Baptist Church, they knew I was a calvinist but told me I couldn't preach it. I didn't preach it, but I led many people to Christ in classes...I have attended an Arminian church from day one. They were not happy with my Calvinism, so I respected them and never pressed the issue. My wife knew my belief and completely disagreed. She is glad that I’ve come to my senses! ?
I understand people think there is good reason for the belief system, but when compared to the reality that Jesus died for everyone there is no question the belief system is not true.Yes and this is what makes their views ridiculous. Twisting the plain reading and understanding of those texts . They read them subjectively, biased reading their doctrines into them . 100% eisegesis.
I believe it's true Joe...I understand people think there is good reason for the belief system, but when compared to the reality that Jesus died for everyone there is no question the belief system is not true.
God bless
With all brotherly love, you may believe it, but the fact is Calvinism does not teach it. Carbon is a classic example with his quoting of OwenI believe it's true Joe...
I believe that Jesus is the Propitiation for the world; especially for those who believe...
Yet I remain a 5-Point Calvinist...
We do keep the Gospel simple when talking to the average person. But that changes when you run into a person who has been told by his parents or his pastor about this heretical Calvinism and then wants to argue with you. Or on this forum.So why can't a Calvinist keep the Gospel simple?
Calvinists would have you believe
1-God didn’t love Adam and all are condemned in Adam ( Calvinism )
2- since God didn’t love Adam whom he created to sin and condemn all mankind( predestination) then He loves no one .
3- since sin passed from Adam to all men ( Calvinism , original sin ) then all are condemned . God hates all all sinners , all who do evil , all the wicked . So God doesn’t really love anyone . It’s all a facade in Calvinism , word games , salad . Equivocation, conflating etc
4- But in non Calvinism ( scripture ) we know that God is love , loves all men , the whole world , all sinners without exception . Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world without exception. 1 John 2:2 and took away their sins , John 1:29 and gave His life for them John 3:16.
Will you believe in the God of the Bible or the god of Calvinism ?
I would say that our Theology needs to be well-rounded. What is your opinion about Compatibalism?With all brotherly love, you may believe it, but the fact is Calvinism does not teach it. Carbon is a classic example with his quoting of Owen
The reality of the Lord’s death for all means it was given earnestly. And if given earnestly it would mean God does indeed love everyone, again something Calvinist deny. And given earnestly means there is a real offer of salvation that can be accepted by the hearer.
“For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age”(2 Tim 2:11-12)
Notice Paul tells Timothy the “grace of God has appeared bringing salvation for all people”. This is a genuine offer from God’s grace. God’s desire is for man to be saved and He gave His Son to redeem all those who would believe. It is disingenuous to say what He said and actually mean I will save who I chose, and I will make them a believer.
God bless
Make up stuff much?Calvinists would have you believe
1-God didn’t love Adam and all are condemned in Adam ( Calvinism )
2- since God didn’t love Adam whom he created to sin and condemn all mankind( predestination) then He loves no one .
3- since sin passed from Adam to all men ( Calvinism , original sin ) then all are condemned . God hates all all sinners , all who do evil , all the wicked . So God doesn’t really love anyone . It’s all a facade in Calvinism , word games , salad . Equivocation, conflating etc
4- But in non Calvinism ( scripture ) we know that God is love , loves all men , the whole world , all sinners without exception . Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world without exception. 1 John 2:2 and took away their sins , John 1:29 and gave His life for them John 3:16.
Will you believe in the God of the Bible or the god of Calvinism ?
No. I mean you. Make up stuff much, @Johnnybgood?You mean like Calvin did ?
never ?
For what, do you believe, is God "on the hook?"A Calvinists way to get god off the hook ...
Try following the dots , the conversation -- for what, do you believe, is God "on the hook?"Try following the dots , the conversation.
Do I really need to quote you all the Scriptures teaching about God's love?
Seems to me one of the most quoted verses Calvinists quote includes, "Jacob I loved".
A squared circleI would say that our Theology needs to be well-rounded. What is your opinion about Compatibalism?
We like to call it BiblicalA squared circle