Gentiles, Jews, and Christians

Dant01 said:
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Hebrew, Israeli, and Jew are not synonymous labels; although they're often
used that way.

For example: Abraham was an Hebrew (Gen 14:13) Jacob and his sons were
Israelis (Gen 32:28 & Gen 24:7) and Jacob's son Judah was a Jew seeing as that
particular label was derived from his ethnic name Jehudah. (Gen 29:35)

NOTE: Judah's is the messianic tribe (Gen 49:8-10, Heb 7:14) viz: Jesus is a
true blue Jew rather than somebody merely identifying as a Jew; sort of like the
degenerate wave of sissy boys competing for prizes in women's sports.
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What do you mean by true blue Jew?

The Davidic lineage has gentile converts, as do other tribes. The converts identified as Jews by being adopted/grafted into the nation.
 
Dant01 said:
Hebrew, Israeli, and Jew are not synonymous labels; although they're often
used that way.
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I have no problem with them being used so

Dant01 said:
For example: Abraham was an Hebrew (Gen 14:13) Jacob and his sons were
Israelis (Gen 32:28 & Gen 24:7) and Jacob's son Judah was a Jew seeing as that
particular label was derived from his ethnic name Jehudah. (Gen 29:35)
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but I understand yr distinctions

Dant01 said:
Judah's is the messianic tribe (Gen 49:8-10, Heb 7:14) viz:
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He comes from Levi as well

Dant01 said:
Jesus is a
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He is God incarnate, which is unique

Dant01 said:
true blue Jew rather than somebody merely identifying as a Jew;
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seems like plenty of people want to identify as Jews

God is supposed to be Israel's king, so...
Dant01 said:
sort of like
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He showed up as a man - which is what they said they wanted
 
His father would have to be a Levite, and His father's father
who said He was a Levite? LOL
not me

He is descendant of Judah,...and Levi
 
"My children, obey Levi, and in Judah you will be redeemed.
Do not rebel against these two tribes, for from them will arise the salvation of God.
For the LORD will raise up from Levi as it were a priest, and from Judah
as it were a king, who is both God and man.
He will save all the gentiles and Israel."

"I have foretold you all these things to make myself clear about the sin of your souls.

If you forsake envy and stubbornness, you will flourish like a rose and will branch afar off.
Then the seed of Canaan, Amalek, the Philistines, the Hitties, and all the cursed seed of Ham
will perish. Then the world will rest from war and Shem will be glorified, because the Lord God,
the Mighty One of Israel, will appear on the earth and save the seed of Adam.
Then all the deceitful, wicked, spirits will be trampled underfoot, and no longer rule over men.

The I will arise (at the Resurrection - ed.) in joy and will bless the Most High because of His
marvelous works, because God hath taken a body and eaten with men and saved men."

- testament of Simeon
 
American Gothic said:
"My children, obey Levi, and in Judah you will be redeemed.
Do not rebel against these two tribes, for from them will arise the salvation of God.
For the LORD will raise up from Levi as it were a priest, and from Judah
as it were a king, who is both God and man.
He will save all the gentiles and Israel."

"I have foretold you all these things to make myself clear about the sin of your souls.

If you forsake envy and stubbornness, you will flourish like a rose and will branch afar off.
Then the seed of Canaan, Amalek, the Philistines, the Hitties, and all the cursed seed of Ham
will perish. Then the world will rest from war and Shem will be glorified, because the Lord God,
the Mighty One of Israel, will appear on the earth and save the seed of Adam.
Then all the deceitful, wicked, spirits will be trampled underfoot, and no longer rule over men.

The I will arise (at the Resurrection - ed.) in joy and will bless the Most High because of His
marvelous works, because God hath taken a body and eaten with men and saved men."

- testament of Simeon
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Still doesn't say Messiah is a Levite. You need to do better.

If the above is accurate, based on geneaologies alone, Matthew and Luke shows Jesus doesn't have Levite geneaology. Sorry.
 
there is no claim of being a Levite or a Levitical priest

some ancestry from Levi can be as simple as that

Eliakim
Eliezer
Zadok
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sound like possible Levi ancestry related names to me
 
Jewjitzu said:
Says the replacement theologist wannabe. Good luck with that Jack. Maybe that's why Jill fell down the hill?
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I'm just a Bible believing Christian. Why do you call yourself Jewish? No clue?

I doubt if you even believe the Complete Jewish Bible!
 
American Gothic said:
why do some think gentles can become Jews?
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Gentiles can be grafted into the flow of blessings that Jews used to be recipients of.

Today, anyone (Jew or Gentile) who becomes a New Creation in Christ, can sit on the blessing-eat that Jews once held the monopoly.

But? For a gentile to become a Jew?

No...

Yet, Gentiles can now benefit like a Jew used to when Judaism was God's *active* means to please God.

If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, ​
have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from ​
the olive root." Romans 11:17​

A Gentile can enter into the same blessing supply line, that was at one time exclusive only to Jews.

Yet? In the age of Israel?

Gentiles were able to convert and become what were called "a God fearing Gentile."

But, without someone being in the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
They could not be called Jews.

But, don't lose heart if you are a Gentile.
For after all...
Abraham was a gentile at birth.

grace and peace ...........
 
Jewjitzu said:
Because my parents were Jewish and I practice Judaism.
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You can only practice a fragment of what has been left over of Judaism since the Temple was demolished,
and all Temple sacrifices were brought to a halt in 70AD.

Why would God allow for the very sacrifices that He demanded of Jews to gain atonement for sins, to disappear?
For 2000 years no Temple? What kind of sins have the Jews been committing for God to disallow the rebuilding?

What symbolically took place on the Temple altar was finally replaced by God with the real thing. No more symbolism.
The animal sacrifices demanded by God could only be symbolic teaching tools to teach principles of atonement.
Principles to become ingrained in the believers thinking which would be understood and needed to comprehend the Blood of Jesus.

So, please stop with your "Jewish badge of alleged authority" that you wish to flaunt here.

For starters....
My dad was one of the founders of our local synagogue.
The congregation I had my bar mitzvah take place before.
He was a retired musician and also used to sound the Shofar on Yom Kippur.

I was no fan of typical Christianity as its revealed to most people today.
It was Jesus I found intriguing.
I would not want to attend most churches that are very weak in teaching.
It was Jesus Christ who called me... not some church.

After being made spiritually alive when I made the choice to accept Jesus dying for my sins, was when I was
supernaturally led into find a few excellent teachers who were capable of teaching the Word of God in such a way
it actually began to explain what being a true Jew is...

David, Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and others had a relationship with the God of Israel that Jews today cry out for, but are not finding it.
You can keep the Law as much as possible. But it will never give you the indwelling Spirit God whom will comfort and guide you.

Feeling sorry for wandering religious Jews does no good for me.... I am encouraged when I see other Jews nodding and understanding
what I speak of. For they entered the spiritual life themselves.
Religious Judaism can not produce in a person what finding the living Yeshua does, and will.

So... in the mean time I must tolerate religious Jews who have no idea what it is they are missing.

Pleasing God is not a matter of "joining a club" and dedication oneself to follow its rules. Be it, alleged Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

In the mean while..

Heaven is going to be perfect.

I hope to see all here there.
 
Jewjitzu said:
Because a man is what Messiah is supposed to be, nothing else.
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Actually, that is what the Antichrist will be...
Looks like you are being prepped for deception.

Tell us.. Who did the Prophet Isaiah speak of?


Isaiah 9:6​
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For to us a child is born,​
to us a son is given,​
and the government will be on his shoulders.​
And he will be called​
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,​
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.​
​

I am both glad that I came away from Judaism as it exists today, and that I am
another fortunate Jew who found the Messiah before I died.

Blind religious pride scares me, be it either Muslim, or Jew.


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