Jesus was not fully God and like the creeds say truly God for 33 years and divested Himself of His Divine Attributes for 33 years .I never caught on to why y'all were so upset. Could you explain Kenosis?
Thanks...Jesus was not fully God and like the creeds say truly God for 33 years and divested Himself of His Divine Attributes for 33 years .
So it denies His Deity at the same time denying the Trinity since one Person was not fully God.
And its heresy runs RAMPANT among charismatics.Thanks...
God does not change, so the Logos of God can't stop being the God...
I really hesitate to bop in, but you inadvertently got thrown with your misgivings and misunderstanding to the Charismatic board to lodge your complaints.Yes it denies an essential truth about God being Immutable.
The Hypostatic Union addresses everything regarding the 2 Natures in Christ, the Trinity and Immutability. I put this together back on the old CARM forums for those who denied Christ was fully God and kenosis false teachers, unitarians, JW's etc......I really hesitate to bop in, but you inadvertently got thrown with your misgivings and misunderstanding to the Charismatic board to lodge your complaints.
To me, on an historic basis, the term "heretic" is a Roman construct, conveniently fueling the Jesus wars that made a mockery of the Church, and Jesus' only new commandment. It's a convenient wall to prevent dialog and understanding. On these forums, I've been called a "Pelagianist..." I had to look it up. It goes back to the days that the Maryolator Augustine, great (meaning "accepted by Rome") Christian theologian that he was, charged Pelagius with heresy, and won the upper hand, though the council never actually ruled against Pelagius. History shows that the "heretic" Pelagius left the West, and there is good evidence that he brought the gospel of Jesus Christ even all the way to Japan. In the meantime, he was dismissed by Rome, and all our "historians" as a "heretic."
Let me walk lightly, in the area of the "immutability" of the Godhead...Do you believe Jesus died? Do you believe he "gave up the Spirit?" Do you believe He commended His Spirit to the Father, as He said on the cross...or was he being strangely symbolic, since all that is impossible if Jesus did not at any point relinquish immortality. His sacrifice, in fact, becomes mute...because God cannot suffer, be beaten or bruised on anyone's behalf...
Do you agree that the flesh is anything but immutable? Well, then, do you believe that the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us? Do you believe Jesus clothed Himself with mortality?
Briefly, we believe, because Jesus Himself said so, that He did what He did on the earth because He was the son of Man (e.g. the Son of Adam, see Ezekiel and the prophets)...He was Adam's heir and waged Adam's war to restore Adam's dominion. He the last Adam, and that is no error. We also teach that it could not have been otherwise, because the "gifts and the calling of God are without repentance."
Your theories, in fact, lead to a heresy that is strangely Muhammedan. Their 'Isa (Jesus) could not possibly die. As I see it, your own dogma has created an immortal Jesus Who is incapable of dying, and therefore unable to die in our place...to redeem us. You lessen the offering.
Are you saying that they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God, and that Reformed believers are not?
Please clarify your stance here.
@Beloved Daughter and @preacher4truthsame thing as He was not Omnipotent, Omnipresent or Omniscient according to you
Like I said you just proved I’m correct that you are KENOSIS. Thanks for admitting your a heretic by you’re above confession.