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Reformedguy said:
What does it mean? Where did they obtain faith itself from of not themselves?

Why would you obtain something according to you is inherent in man?
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Simply they may obtain faith from the gospel being sent to them

Romans 10:10–17 (ESV) — 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Other than that you conflate the ability to believe (inherent) with actual belief in God's truth of which they are unaware
 
fltom said:
Simply they may obtain faith from the gospel being sent to them

Romans 10:10–17 (ESV) — 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Other than that you conflate the ability to believe (inherent) with actual belief in God's truth of which they are unaware
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It does not say that. You said it's your faith. Where did you obtain your faith from?

Nowhere does the Bible say man has a inherent ability to believe. Just the opposite. See 1 Corinthians 2:14
You deny scripture
 
Reformedguy said:
It does not say that. You said it's your faith. Where did you obtain your faith from?

Nowhere does the Bible say man has a inherent ability to believe. Just the opposite. See 1 Corinthians 2:14
You deny scripture
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what part of the word did you not understand

Romans 10:17 (ESV) — 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

sorry 1cor 2:14 is speaking of the hidden things in the mind of god

not the revealed gospel hello

your claim is refuted by the parable of the sower

Luke 8:11–13 (ESV) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.

where they hear the word of the kingdom and receive it with joy

by God's hardening men to prevent their belief

John 12:40 (ESV) — 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”

which is absurd had they no ability to believe

by the claim men could have believed had they not grown hardened and shut their eyes

Acts 28:27 (ESV) — 27 For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed; lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’


your view is contrary to scripture





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fltom said:
what part of the word did you not understand

Romans 10:17 (ESV) — 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

sorry 1cor 2:14 is speaking of the hidden things in the mind of god

not the revealed gospel hello

your claim is refuted by the parable of the sower

Luke 8:11–13 (ESV) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.

where they hear the word of the kingdom and receive it with joy

by God's hardening men to prevent their belief

John 12:40 (ESV) — 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”

which is absurd had they no ability to believe

by the claim men could have believed had they not grown hardened and shut their eyes

Acts 28:27 (ESV) — 27 For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed; lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’


your view is contrary to scripture





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It is? Show me. I don't see "hidden things of God" in verse 14.
 
Reformedguy said:
It is? Show me. I don't see "hidden things of God" in verse 14.
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you failed to address the refutation of your view

your claim is refuted by the parable of the sower

Luke 8:11–13 (ESV) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away.

where they hear the word of the kingdom and receive it with joy

by God's hardening men to prevent their belief

John 12:40 (ESV) — 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”

which is absurd had they no ability to believe

by the claim men could have believed had they not grown hardened and shut their eyes

Acts 28:27 (ESV) — 27 For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed; lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’

ps read the context

starting at verse 7

1 Corinthians 2:7–13 (ESV) — 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— 10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
 
Reformedguy said:
What does it mean? Where did they obtain faith itself from of not themselves?

Why would you obtain something according to you is inherent in man?
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Obtain means to acquire

sorry no the content of faith is not inherent

Romans 10:13–17 (KJV 1900) — 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
fltom said:
Obtain means to acquire

sorry no the content of faith is not inherent

Romans 10:13–17 (KJV 1900) — 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Aquire from where? Frim what? It came from somewhere. Where?
 
Reformedguy said:
Aquire from where? Frim what? It came from somewhere. Where?
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from the presentation of the word

Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The ability for faith is inherrent.

the content of faith needs to be revealed.
 
fltom said:
from the presentation of the word

Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The ability for faith is inherrent.

the content of faith needs to be revealed.
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The word gives you faith? LOL

Your faith is acquired from where?
 
Reformedguy said:
The word gives you faith? LOL

Your faith is acquired from where?
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Were you not able to read?

- Given the right …..

What does it mean? Where did they obtain faith itself from of not themselves? Why would you obtain something according to you is inherent in man? Simply they may obtain faith from the gospel being sent to them Romans 10:10–17 (ESV) — 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and...
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fltom said:
Were you not able to read?

- Given the right …..

What does it mean? Where did they obtain faith itself from of not themselves? Why would you obtain something according to you is inherent in man? Simply they may obtain faith from the gospel being sent to them Romans 10:10–17 (ESV) — 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and...
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Dodging again. I will play your game. Does the word walk up and hand it to you?

If you did not have it but at some point acquired it then where did it come from? The word store?
 
Reformedguy said:
Dodging again. I will play your game. Does the word walk up and hand it to you?

If you did not have it but at some point acquired it then where did it come from? The word store?
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What were you not able to comprehend


read slowly

from the presentation of the word

Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The ability for faith is inherent.

the content of faith needs to be revealed.

Faith is a response of trust to the content presented

which is why
Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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