Given the right …..

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fltom

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Carbon said:
Tom you take so much out of context. And twist scripture.

I’m really worried about you and those that may believe you. 🙁
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You did not address the verses

why is it Calvinists must ignore so many verses

Given the right …..

So you believe the gift is - grace? ""That" not of your self ........." Not those. Gifted faith is addressed as a gift in other passages.
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fltom

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Carbon said:
Tom
I do answer. You just don’t accept it. You have dead people doing things, a pile of bones deciding to believe something. You rely on the dead to save yourself.

I don’t. I believe what scripture teaches. Jesus saves, not the dead saving themselves.
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No you do not

you go off on a tangent and never address the point.
 
preacher4truth

preacher4truth

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Reformedguy said:
😂 it is of yourself once it's gifted to you. Keep trying
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Anti-calvinist humanist provisionist protocol:

"I don't like that verse that I cannot come, that I have no ability to do so!"

"Here, quick, find a verse to pit against it and neutralize it! Then attack Calvinists over it, and call them of the devil, and followers of Calvin!" :ROFLMAO::LOL:

Yep. This is the same old reaction since the John 6:65-66 model. If we can't come on our own, we'll not follow Jesus any longer and start our own religion. *Voila* Provisionism!
 
Carbon

Carbon

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preacher4truth said:

"Given the right ….."​


Is the OP title about John 1:12-13? If not, how does the statement correlate with the OP?
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It’s about God being sovereign in salvation.

John 1:12-13,
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Eph 2:10,
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Considering all this, were we not given the right?
 
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preacher4truth

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Carbon said:
It’s about God being sovereign in salvation.
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OK. I believe this.
Carbon said:
John 1:12-13,
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
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Yes.
Carbon said:
Eph 2:10,
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
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Yes.
Carbon said:
Considering all this, were we not given the right?
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I'm not sure what you are arguing here. It appears you're saying that I'm not in agreement with this text.
 
preacher4truth

preacher4truth

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Carbon said:
No. I know you agree with God’s word on just about everything but baptism. Well, that I know of so far.
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We only baptize believers. We don't bother moistening the already moistened unbelievers. They're pretty good at moistening themselves. :)

But I am glad to know my Biblical stance bothers you to date.
 
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