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Leatherneck0311 · Mar 10, 2023

Carbon said:
Nothing serious. No worries. 😉

Show me where scripture teaches against it.

Do we really need to go over all this? I think you may know the teaching on this?

Lol.

Nope not really. It’s not a salvational issue

Is an infant capable of believing ?

Mar 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Carbon · Mar 10, 2023

Leatherneck0311 said:
Is an infant capable of believing ?

Mar 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Is an infant capable of believing? Seriously?
I don’t know. I do know John the Baptist jumped in his mothers womb ? Read the story.
But you think belief and faith are two different things.
Are you suggesting baptismal regeneration? I hope not.
I think you have this verse a bit mixed up.
😎

Are you thinking this verse proves something? If so, what?

Leatherneck0311 · Mar 10, 2023

Carbon said:
Is an infant capable of believing? Seriously?
I don’t know. I do know John the Baptist jumped in his mothers womb ? Read the story.
But you think belief and faith are two different things.
Are you suggesting baptismal regeneration? I hope not.
I think you have this verse a bit mixed up.
😎

I believe the order given in scripture was given for a reason belief first baptism second after belief.

Carbon · Mar 10, 2023

eternomade said:
I was baptized last year. I had been baptized when I was 13, but I had believed a false gospel back then. I prayed and studied, and felt that I should get baptized again at age 37 to identify with Christ in His life, death, burial and resurrection.

If you feel convicted to be baptized, then do so.
What type of church were you first baptized in?

eternomade said:
The story you mentioned sounds similar to the "Primitive Baptist" churches. Although I agree with the black rock address, I cant get behind many of their more modern teachings.

I have a question for the Presbyterians though. Should I also baptize me 37 year old wife, 15 year old daughter, 13 year old son, and 11 year old son? Even if they hate this truth? They may get angry and start fighting me.

Once children hit a certain age it’s kinda up to them I think?

Carbon · Mar 10, 2023

Leatherneck0311 said:
I believe the order given in scripture was given for a reason belief first baptism second after belief.

Okay. Mr one verse.
Poor verse to prove that.
😎

eternomade · Mar 10, 2023

Carbon said:
What type of church were you first baptized in?

It was a "non-denominational" Calvinist church. Not Reformed though. Not confessional either.

Carbon said:
Once children hit a certain age it’s kinda up to them I think?

Yes I agree. That is why I was asking you. Other Presbyterians haven't answered me, so I am grateful you did.

At what age should children not be baptized? When is it too old?

Leatherneck0311 · Mar 10, 2023

Carbon said:
Okay. Mr one verse.
Poor verse to prove that.
😎

Lol, of course ! The verse says believe and be baptized but obviously you know more than the Holy Spirit who inspired that verse right ?

Leatherneck0311 · Mar 10, 2023

Carbon said:
Okay. Mr one verse.
Poor verse to prove that.
😎

# 2

Act 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you inthe name of Jesus Christ forthe remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Question: can an infant repent ?

Slyzr · Mar 10, 2023

Carbon said:
Really? That really hurts 🙁

You going to be OK.

fltom · Mar 10, 2023

Carbon said:
While he is dead, he must make a wish.

He has to make a decision to believe something.

The gospel according to t

scripture

John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

not tom

Why are you running from it

what does the verse say the dead man must do

Carbon · Mar 10, 2023

eternomade said:
It was a "non-denominational" Calvinist church. Not Reformed though. Not confessional either.

Personally I believe it was legit. No matter if reformed or not. As long as baptized in the name of the Father, son and Holy Spirit.

eternomade said:
Yes I agree. That is why I was asking you. Other Presbyterians haven't answered me, so I am grateful you did.

👍

eternomade said:
At what age should children not be baptized? When is it too old?

I don’t know. Every child is different.

Carbon · Mar 10, 2023

Slyzr said:
You going to be OK.

You asking or telling me?

preacher4truth · Mar 10, 2023

eternomade said:
It was a "non-denominational" Calvinist church. Not Reformed though. Not confessional either.

Yes I agree. That is why I was asking you. Other Presbyterians haven't answered me, so I am grateful you did.

At what age should children not be baptized? When is it too old?

Do you mean covenantal baptism with children? At birth is too old for that IMHO. Now, when they profess Christ? That's the biblical time to do so.

Carbon · Mar 10, 2023

Leatherneck0311 said:
Lol, of course ! The verse says believe and be baptized but obviously you know more than the Holy Spirit who inspired that verse right ?

😎

Carbon · Mar 10, 2023

Leatherneck0311 said:
# 2

Act 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you inthe name of Jesus Christ forthe remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Question: can an infant repent ?

Do you believe water baptism saves?

Carbon · Mar 10, 2023

fltom said:
scripture

John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

not tom

Why are you running from it

what does the verse say the dead man must do

I’m running? No I don’t think so. If I break this down for you will you run?
You usually do

eternomade · Mar 10, 2023

preacher4truth said:
Do you mean covenantal baptism with children? At birth is too old for that IMHO. Now, when they profess Christ? That's the biblical time to do so.

Well that was what my question was regarding. Do some people believe that "baptizing" an infant places them in the covenant of grace? This is another question that most people don't want to answer.

Carbon · Mar 10, 2023

eternomade said:
Well that was what my question was regarding. Do some people believe that "baptizing" an infant places them in the covenant of grace? This is another question that most people don't want to answer.

It is about the covenant. Just like circumcision in the OT

But to really get more involved in baptism it be better off in the correct category and thread.

preacher4truth · Mar 10, 2023

eternomade said:
Well that was what my question was regarding. Do some people believe that "baptizing" an infant places them in the covenant of grace?

They compare it to the covenant of circumcision. I then ask them why they baptize girls.

eternomade said:
This is another question that most people don't want to answer.

I've always had them answer, and I am not against them for it. Some get really uptight over it though. Some of my family do. They always bring it up, lol. It's a little too late for me to practice that anyhow, plus I wouldn't want to confuse my children, which is why I stick to clear passages that show believers baptism.

Slyzr · Mar 10, 2023

fltom said:
scripture

John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

not tom

Why are you running from it

what does the verse say the dead man must do

Tom, no one can be until they cannot be.

Then they can be.........

Calvinism makes perfect sense.

Not.

Sigh ...........

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