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[Leatherneck0311]

Do you believe water baptism saves?

I believe saved folks get baptized because Jesus and the apostles taught to get baptized.

 

[Carbon]

I believe saved folks get baptized because Jesus and the apostles taught to get baptized.

I agree

 

[Slyzr]

Not sure how you guys got to baptism in this thread.

LoL ........

To funny.

 

[fltom]

Tom, no one can be until they cannot be.

Then they can be.........

Calvinism makes perfect sense.

Not.

Sigh ...........

Convoluted is what it is

 

[fltom]

I’m running? No I don’t think so. If I break this down for you will you run?
You usually do

You still have not finished addressing it

why do Calvinists always run

 

[Slyzr]

Convoluted is what it is

Satan is the no one can be guy.

Bad seed.

Jesus died that we might live.

 

[Carbon]

You still have not finished addressing it

why do Calvinists always run

Lol. After you my friend. Why do you always run?

 

[fltom]

Lol. After you my friend. Why do you always run?

I didn't run away I posted a verse you failed to address completely

 

[Leatherneck0311]

Grace, salvation and faith are gifts.

The total depravity of man requires it.

Wrong ,as Jesus taught those who receive the word( seed) have a responsibility in how they respond to the Word(truth)—->

Luk 8:11 - Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Luk 8:12 - Those by the way side are they that hear;then cometh the devil, andtaketh away the word out oftheir hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Luk 8:13 - They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root,which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Luk 8:14 - And that which fell among thorns are they,which, when they have heard,go forth, and are choked withcares and riches andpleasures of this life, andbring no fruit to perfection.

Luk 8:15 - But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart,having heard the word, keepit, and bring forth fruit with Patience.

 

[Howie]

Wrong ,as Jesus taught those who receive the word( seed) have a responsibility in how they respond to the Word(truth)—->

Luk 8:11 - Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Luk 8:12 - Those by the way side are they that hear;then cometh the devil, andtaketh away the word out oftheir hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Luk 8:13 - They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root,which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Luk 8:14 - And that which fell among thorns are they,which, when they have heard,go forth, and are choked withcares and riches andpleasures of this life, andbring no fruit to perfection.

Luk 8:15 - But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart,having heard the word, keepit, and bring forth fruit with Patience.

Wrong, as the verses you cite plainly state.

 

[fltom]

Wrong ,as Jesus taught those who receive the word( seed) have a responsibility in how they respond to the Word(truth)—->

Luk 8:11 - Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Luk 8:12 - Those by the way side are they that hear;then cometh the devil, andtaketh away the word out oftheir hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Luk 8:13 - They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root,which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Luk 8:14 - And that which fell among thorns are they,which, when they have heard,go forth, and are choked withcares and riches andpleasures of this life, andbring no fruit to perfection.

Luk 8:15 - But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart,having heard the word, keepit, and bring forth fruit with Patience.

Wonder how they explain the unregenerate men receiving the word of kingdom with joy

considering their view man is incapable of such unless regenerated

 

[Reformedguy]

Wonder how they explain the unregenerate men receiving the word of kingdom with joy

considering their view man is incapable of such unless regenerated

"They have no root". Pretty simple

 

[Slyzr]

"They have no root". Pretty simple

Circular, self supporting.

Means nothing.

 

[Reformedguy]

Circular, self supporting.

Means nothing.

How is it circular? 🤔

 

[fltom]

"They have no root". Pretty simple

That does not explain how an unregenerate person received the word of the kingdom with joy

according to you they cannot even understand it let alone receive it

 

[Reformedguy]

That does not explain how an unregenerate person received the word of the kingdom with joy

according to you they cannot even understand it let alone receive it

So you assume because they recieved the word of the kingdom with joy they were saved? I don't see regeneration mentioned in the text. It's not parentheses time is it? 😂
I bet those in 1 John 2:19 did as well.

 

[fltom]

So you assume because they recieved the word of the kingdom with joy they were saved? I don't see regeneration mentioned in the text. It's not parentheses time is it? 😂
I bet those in 1 John 2:19 did as well.

Nope I do not assume that

I address your claim man cannot receive the word of the kingdom

Hello

 

[Slyzr]

How is it circular? 🤔

Seemed like you were saying the same thing again.

No?

 

[Reformedguy]

Seemed like you were saying the same thing again.

No?

Like, "how is it circular"? Like that?

 

[fltom]

That does not explain how an unregenerate person received the word of the kingdom with joy

according to you they cannot even understand it let alone receive it

@Reformedguy