Richard7
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Yes....Would you have been one of the early Mormons who couldn’t let go of polygamy when the prophet had a “revelation” that told him to stop? Or would you have clung to the old traditional beliefs?
Yes....Would you have been one of the early Mormons who couldn’t let go of polygamy when the prophet had a “revelation” that told him to stop? Or would you have clung to the old traditional beliefs?
So you don’t believe in modern revelation thru your prophets.Yes....
No... I believe, thx.So you don’t believe in modern revelation thru your prophets.
And yet you said you wouldn’t have believed it when they said God told them to stop polygamy.No... I believe, thx.
Yes, as in the testimony that at the time we would be living the Law of God in section 132. Even if I wasn't a practicing Polygamist I would to this day; and acknowledge its truthfulness as the spoken word of God to Joseph Smith.And yet you said you wouldn’t have believed it when they said God told them to stop polygamy.
Then you don’t believe the Mormon prophet who said God told them to stop.Yes, as in the testimony that at the time we would be living the Law of God in section 132. Even if I wasn't a practicing Polygamist I would to this day; and acknowledge its truthfulness as the spoken word of God to Joseph Smith.
Absolutely believe they were told to stop... man makes laws that have no regard for Heavenly Father...Then you don’t believe the Mormon prophet who said God told them to stop.
Are you afraid of committing yourself to a straight answer?Absolutely believe they were told to stop... man makes laws that have no regard for Heavenly Father...
I have, the Church issued the Manifesto to do away with polygamy for reason that U.S. passed laws against it... we still practice it in our Temples.Are you afraid of committing yourself to a straight answer?
Did the Manifesto come from God?I have, the Church issued the Manifesto to do away with polygamy for reason that U.S. passed laws against it... we still practice it in our Temples.
I have no idea how it came about.... I would speculate promptings, spiritual revelation, etc.Did the Manifesto come from God?
LOL, or the Edmunds-Tucker Act, which would have allowed the feds to take all the churches assets over 50k. Do your homework, it is on the church's website.I have no idea how it came about.... I would speculate promptings, spiritual revelation, etc.
Awe, what has this to do with me not knowing how it came about.... your only speculationg again Markk, your reading into history and at the same time admitting you were not there... validation my friend, validation.LOL, or the Edmunds-Tucker Act, which would have allowed the feds to take all the churches assets over 50k. Do your homework, it is on the church's website.
Focus, it is how it came about. The Feds passed the Act, in which it threatened to take all the churches assets over 50K. The had to give in or lose almost all their capital and assets. This is just fact. It has everything about not knowing how it came about or you would not have said what you did...do your homework.Awe, what has this to do with me not knowing how it came about.... your only speculationg again Markk, your reading into history and at the same time admitting you were not there... validation my friend, validation.
Actully you need to dig a little deeper Markk, the facts include the right to join the Union of States... chuckle.Focus, it is how it came about. The Feds passed the Act, in which it threatened to take all the churches assets over 50K. The had to give in or lose almost all their capital and assets. This is just fact. It has everything about not knowing how it came about or you would not have said what you did...do your homework.
Ralf, I gave you the data...it is the Edmunds Act...google it and learn, It will take a day or two of reading and study...but just do it. This is Mormonism 101...you claim you study yet have no clue on simple LDS history.Actully you need to dig a little deeper Markk, the facts include the right to join the Union of States... chuckle.
It would be nice if you really would focus yourself and share all the details good buddy.
Yes ralf, they caved from political pressures exactly like I explained to which you denied. read my post to you in #252. You have claimed you have read and know all the "anti" assertions, yet you stumble on the basics.In 1882 and 1887, Congress passed laws to force the Church to abandon its support of multiple marriages (which never involved more than 20 percent of adult males). These laws did other things as well. They barred polygamists from jury service, voting, or holding office. They allowed evidence of a defendant's reputation to secure a conviction for polygamy. They permitted a wife to testify against her husband. They revoked the right of women to vote (which had been established in 1870 by the Utah territorial legislature). Finally, they took away the territorial charter of the Church, which allowed the federal government to confiscate its property and turn it over to the public schools.
Altogether, more than 1,000 men were convicted, fined, and imprisoned for being married to more than one wife.
Mormon leaders understood that if they continued to resist the anti-polygamy laws, Utah would never become a state. Therefore, in 1890, the president of the Mormon Church issued a "Manifesto" calling for the Latter-Day Saints "to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land." This, and assurances separating the church from the state, finally removed congressional objections to statehood, and led to the admission of Utah into the Union as the 45th state in 1896.
Ralf, I gave you the data...it is the Edmunds Act...google it and learn, It will take a day or two of reading and study...but just do it. This is Mormonism 101...you claim you study yet have no clue on simple LDS history.
Yea I know Markk, you just can't keep from not using me personally as your scapegoat for your own failures to dig deeper, I'm sure those who follow this thread are quite aware of your own shortcomings. If you're bored as you seem to be with my lack of historical research and proving by way of sources you can validate, well you might want to cut and run.Again, I warmed you that you are not ready for this conversation.
I did read it, I debated it in depth here with ocean coast a few years back here. If I stated something out of context with the act...let me know. Please show me where I did a quick glance. Ralf, I make efforts to understand before I post, believe it or not I am not really debating you here, but reading and studying for my own enlightenment.Yes or no Markk, did you actually read the whole Edmunds Act or just copy and paste using your usual quick glance aptitude.
That is just silly Ralf. You are not emotionally equipped to test your faith. The church teaches Joe was a money digger and used the seer stone to translate the BoM, and it has taken me what, three or four months to get you to admit it?Yea I know Markk, you just can't keep from not using me personally as your scapegoat for your own failures to dig deeper, I'm sure those who follow this thread are quite aware of your own shortcomings. If you're bored as you seem to be with my lack of historical research and proving by way of sources you can validate, well you might want to cut and run.