brightfame52
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Anthony I'm glad to hear that!
God did not become the last Adam
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brightfame52
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Was Jesus God in the flesh? Was Jesus the second Adam?
Truther
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God creating a sinner is not Biblical.
God creating a perfect man with a choice whether to sin is Biblical.
Same with satan, who was made perfect originally, yet sin rose up in him that was not his original creation.
So, the last Adam, the redo of the first Adam, was made perfect like his predecessor, yet chose not to sin and remain the perfect lamb.
He is the only overcomer of his sinful temptations in the human race that ever lived.
SeventhDay
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God creating a man of the earth out of the dust and breathing into his nostrils life just is not a complete work "Very good" is not a complete work. Anything that has superlatives is not complete.
The fact that Adam sinned is because God did not make Adam complete because if God did then Adam would not have sinned.
Now, if God is making a new spiritual creation out of the "old" creation then Adam was not complete until Christ came into the world to save the new creation because God put away the old man did he not?
God creating a perfect man with a choice is one that has been made born anew, tried and tested and brought to spiritual maturity and that is at the end not the beginning of creation.
It is sad how little of God's people are being taught. May they listen to the Spirit of Christ in them and stick closer to Jesus who is a brother that we can put our full trust in.
God bless you,
SeventhDay
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
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Trinitarians don't teach God became man. Stop being silly; make meaningful critiques.
God Bless
Truther
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...kinda good?God creating a man of the earth out of the dust and breathing into his nostrils life just is not a complete work "Very good" is not a complete work. Anything that has superlatives is not complete.
The fact that Adam sinned is because God did not make Adam complete because if God did then Adam would not have sinned.
Now, if God is making a new spiritual creation out of the "old" creation then Adam was not complete until Christ came into the world to save the new creation because God put away the old man did he not?
God creating a perfect man with a choice is one that has been made born anew, tried and tested and brought to spiritual maturity and that is at the end not the beginning of creation.
It is sad how little of God's people are being taught. May they listen to the Spirit of Christ in them and stick closer to Jesus who is a brother that we can put our full trust in.
God bless you,
SeventhDay
Truther
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When did they recant?
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
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Trinitarians have never taught God became man. Stop projecting certain Oneness Unitarianism Heresies on to Trinitarianism.
God Bless
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
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Yes, the second person of the Trinity, who is God, took up a second nature as become man, but that's not the same as saying or teaching God became man. Stop projecting certain Oneness Unitarianism Heresies on to Trinitarianism.
God Bless
Truther
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The 2nd person which is God is not God as long as he has humanity?
The plot thickens...
SeventhDay
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Why do you make things difficult Truther? God who is the Word was made flesh. Either you believe the scriptures or you do not. However, beliving something that one does not understand does not make sense does it?
God in or as an expression took on the form of a human servant who had the Spirit of God in him called the Father The human servant and Son of God is one. The way this is happened is the Son was begotten by the Father through the Spirit conceiving a Spirit seed in Mary. That seed was spiritually foreshadowed in Mary womb thus the fetus and the Holy child that came out of her womb was a flesh human being.
Does God change? How can God be God and man? Can God be a God-man? God is God and God can not be a man or a God man which would be a contradiction of terms. However, God can express himself in the form of a man which God did and the Spirit foreshadowed and was in that man. However, so was that man in the Father or God.
Now, God has roles and both Father and Son are roles of God and God in his role as Son of God had that role in eternity in the Now but appeared in the flesh in time and space in a Father and Son human relationship. However, has the Son returned to his former glory or not? What does the beginning of John chapter 17 tell you?
God bless you,
SeventhDay
Sure He was. Phil 2:5-7. He being in the form of YHWH/God.
Very good - in the purpose of God.
Father and Son are distinct not as Persons but depicts everlasting covenant between YHWH and Israel.Why do you make things difficult Truther? God who is the Word was made flesh. Either you believe the scriptures or you do not. However, beliving something that one does not understand does not make sense does it?
God in or as an expression took on the form of a human servant who had the Spirit of God in him called the Father The human servant and Son of God is one. The way this is happened is the Son was begotten by the Father through the Spirit conceiving a Spirit seed in Mary. That seed was spiritually foreshadowed in Mary womb thus the fetus and the Holy child that came out of her womb was a flesh human being.
Does God change? How can God be God and man? Can God be a God-man? God is God and God can not be a man or a God man which would be a contradiction of terms. However, God can express himself in the form of a man which God did and the Spirit foreshadowed and was in that man. However, so was that man in the Father or God.
Now, God has roles and both Father and Son are roles of God and God in his role as Son of God had that role in eternity in the Now but appeared in the flesh in time and space in a Father and Son human relationship. However, has the Son returned to his former glory or not? What does the beginning of John chapter 17 tell you?
God bless you,
SeventhDay
Exod 4:
22 “And you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus said יהוה, “Yisra’ĕl is My son, My first-born,
23 so I say to you, let My son go to serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, see, I am killing your son, your first-born.” ’ ”
It's Israel who corporately called by God as His firstborn son.
Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
This is fulfilled in Jesus, The Son of God:
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
The Son of God Who was manifested came as spiritual Israel and as a Servant of God.
Exod 4:23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
Phil 2:6-7
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
He came to represent Israel as the true spiritual Seed of Abraham to fulfill what He as YHWH promised in OT.
The NT believers too are part of Israel through Christ having grafted to the olive tree (Rom 11).
Jesus (Yahusha) Christ fulfilled obedience to Torah on behalf of Israel. The Law of God is spiritual and carnal Israel couldn't obey God.
There are two things we must understand. There is YHWH in visible from and there is YHWH Who is invisible, inaudible and unapproachable.
While there is distinction between the two what we must understand is that the distinction is of two contrasting dimensions - Concealed and Revealed (Transcendent and created Realm).
Phil 2:5-7 shows that it was YHWH in (visible) form took the form of a Servant not clinging on to His equality in Deity with One without form.
The change took place in our lower dimension of creation whereas Transcendent YHWH remained unchanged and concealed.
In OT, we have YHWH and The Angel of YHWH Who are many times interchanged.
YHWH at times spoke as The Father and at other times spoke as being subordinate to Him in a prophetic language.
So, we should come out of a multi-personal God as well as come out from singular Person of God. This thinking is from carnal mind.
Father didn't come to die but The Son came to die. The Father is not the same thing as The Son in soteriology.
The Father didn't come personally to tell us about Himself but rather The Son reveals Him.
There are no three distinct Persons in one God as being popularly taught nor there is a singular Person of God.
Nobody has ever seen God in His transcendent self. It's The Son in our created dimension reveals The Father in Himself.
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
The One heard and seen in OT is the same who came as The Son in NT.
brightfame52
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God creates sinners all the time in the womb
Well then from that perspective did not God become the second adam ?
Truther
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You say the word(Spirit) was made flesh.Why do you make things difficult Truther? God who is the Word was made flesh. Either you believe the scriptures or you do not. However, beliving something that one does not understand does not make sense does it?
God in or as an expression took on the form of a human servant who had the Spirit of God in him called the Father The human servant and Son of God is one. The way this is happened is the Son was begotten by the Father through the Spirit conceiving a Spirit seed in Mary. That seed was spiritually foreshadowed in Mary womb thus the fetus and the Holy child that came out of her womb was a flesh human being.
Does God change? How can God be God and man? Can God be a God-man? God is God and God can not be a man or a God man which would be a contradiction of terms. However, God can express himself in the form of a man which God did and the Spirit foreshadowed and was in that man. However, so was that man in the Father or God.
Now, God has roles and both Father and Son are roles of God and God in his role as Son of God had that role in eternity in the Now but appeared in the flesh in time and space in a Father and Son human relationship. However, has the Son returned to his former glory or not? What does the beginning of John chapter 17 tell you?
God bless you,
SeventhDay
Why did Jesus say then, that God IS A Spirit in John 4:24.
Maybe the spoken word was made flesh, not God(Spirit) God made flesh?
Truther
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God made very good sin?
Truther
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I thought 2 sinners created babies in the womb.
God only enables sinners to create them.
They become sinners when they realize they sinned.
There are no newborn sinners.
They need not repent.
brightfame52
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Thats what you get for thinkig !