christ_undivided
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Do you enjoy being obtuse like this? You know he didn't say that.Are you saying God is not a moral Being ?
Do you enjoy being obtuse like this? You know he didn't say that.Are you saying God is not a moral Being ?
The statement "I'm AM" is more than a concept.God does not exist in time. Time exists in God, as a concept.
You you assuming time is an actual tangible thing with the notion ".God exists in time"
The reference point in eternity past is the trinity fellowship.
At any rate, even if I assumed there was no change and no time before creation…
I see no need to attach some tangible qualuty to the beginning of time at creation.
It's just a start point of creation events. Time is a measurement like the number 8.
You don't find this statement above to be an oxymoron if we are talking about Gods transcendence ?We know God created the existence of the “timeline of creation” but we do not know where that fits into Gods eternal “Timeline” of existence.
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Not being able to identify a particular point in infinite time witnesses to our fragility and His Divinity. Which is one aspect of establishing/recognizing qualities of Divinity. We do not know the fullness of God's power but we know He is all powerful.So at what moment in “the trinity fellowship” did God “create the heavens and the earth”?
My inability to answer this question is one reason why I make the distinction.
I’m not saying there was not, I’m simply saying whatever it is it is different than how God has determined that his creation experience “time”.
Like I said “the beginning” was a moment created for us to refer to… not for God.
It’s like our “birthday” has a tangible quality to the concept of… let’s say driving a car.
Mom: “You are not 16 yet so you can’t drive a car”
Son: “I’m not 16 what?”
Mom: “You are not 16 years old” referring to the day he was born.
The reference point makes the concept of creation tangible for us.
I agree the creation of the “start point” is the reference that gives meaning to the concept of both “time” and the “number 8”. Without the reference point the concept is meaningless.
Can we make the concept of the “number 8” apply to God apart from creation?
Can we make the concept of “time” apply to God apart from creation?
We know God created the existence of the “timeline of creation” but we do not know where that fits into Gods eternal “Timeline” of existence.
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Does God limit or restrain His power ?Not being able to identify a particular point in infinite time witnesses to our fragility and His Divinity. Which is one aspect of establishing/recognizing qualities of Divinity. We do not know the fullness of God's power but we know He is all powerful.
Not at all. You've been avoiding my arguments for how long now?You don't find this statement above to be an oxymoron if we are talking about Gods transcendence ?
At times. Yes. There is a time for everything. Seasons. Yet, He is all in all.Does God limit or restrain His power ?
Like I said find one single Arminian or Calvinist theologian who disagrees with me. You cannot find any as they all say time was created and that God is transcendent.Not at all. You've been avoiding my arguments for how long now?
We know God created the existence of the “timeline of creation” but we do not know where that fits into Gods eternal “Timeline” of existence.
You don't find this statement above to be an oxymoron if we are talking about Gods transcendence ?
At times. Yes. There is a time for everything. Seasons.
Can we make the concept of “time” apply to God apart from creation?
Like I said find one single Arminian or Calvinist theologian who disagrees with me. You cannot find any as they all say time was created and that God is transcendent.
hope this helps !!!
Enough to sneak in a little (actual) "free will"?
I'm over the censorship here at CARM.
I treat people better now
and get banned when as a calvinist you looked passed it and even gave me reps like all the other calvinists did on this board.
You are the reason I created my own forum where we have freedom of our religious beliefs.
The exceptions here with the calvinists are reverend, clay and josh. All the others have been hateful towards me and I do not attak anyone here just the teaching of calvin and get banned.
Yet the calvinsits can mock arminians and non calvinists and never get banned. hypocrisy
But thanks its been a good 20 years overall and has allowed me to know what I want in a forum for christians and what I do not want. For that I am thankful.
Good- bye CARM !
No. By definition possible is NOT ACTUAL.Do possibilities exist?
I would say no.
Telling the truth doesn’t make friends but it does honor God’s command to be truthful. Sorry to see you go. Keep your eyes on the Son.@4Him
Please delete my account, threads, posts etc.....
I'm over the censorship here at CARM.
I treat people better now and get banned when as a calvinist you looked passed it and even gave me reps like all the other calvinists did on this board.
You are the reason I created my own forum where we have freedom of our religious beliefs.
The exceptions here with the calvinists are reverend, clay and josh. All the others have been hateful towards me and I do not attak anyone here just the teaching of calvin and get banned. Yet the calvinsits can mock arminians and non calvinists and never get banned. hypocrisy
But thanks its been a good 20 years overall and has allowed me to know what I want in a forum for christians and what I do not want. For that I am thankful.
Good- bye CARM !
You are forcing a <libertairian>free will upon God. God is not free to be evil. His attributes define Him.You're removing God's free will by forcing his nature to be a certain way.
We do this sometimes because we have trust issues with God (e.g., how can I trust God if God is not forced to do things in a certain way?).
The point of saying God doesn't "have" to be a certain way, is the idea of putting God's ability prioritized above his attributes.
This makes God enthroned as an agent, and not a forced fixed thing.