Carbon
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Amen brother!The entire salvation process is the Lords from start to finish !
John 6:37,44-45
37"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
John 6:64-65
But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. 65 And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
Many say, all are drawn by prevenient grace, and whosever believes of their own free will are saved. All we have to do when we are drawn to a certain point is, have faith, believe.
However, John 6:37-44 teach quite the opposite. It seems to me verse 44 is the negative counterpart to verse 37.
I mean, verse 37 teaches all the Father gives will come, and verse 44 says, no one can come unless the Father draws them. This presents a problem for Arminians.
Considering, verses 37 & 44 together, the drawing by the Father cannot be reduced to what many call prevenient grace given to every individual.
It should be quite obvious this drawing is selective or the negative note in verse 44 would be meaningless.