SovereignGrace
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Salvation is the choice of sovereign God.Did God create the human race holy? He says it was good. Is that what you are referring to?
And I agree with you, salvation is our choice
Salvation is the choice of sovereign God.Did God create the human race holy? He says it was good. Is that what you are referring to?
And I agree with you, salvation is our choice
you lost me here: "God went on...?" Adam was the end of creation, nothing is spoken of as being created after man.Yes, because God went on to Create the World...
You are right, Salvation is from God's thoughts and actions. And He has declared that He will freely save those who choose to entrust themselves to Him. We are saved by faith.Salvation is the choice of sovereign God.
You are right, Salvation is from God's thoughts and actions. And He has declared that He will freely save those who choose to entrust themselves to Him. We are saved by faith.
Yes! Faith is a gift God gives to everyone. The faith to know He exists. But that faith does not save. The faith that saves is when we entrust ourselves to the God who has revealed Himself to us.And yet faith is God’s gift to His elect ppl.![]()
He hates what is contrary to His nature—He hates what is contrary to love.
What about Romans 9:19 where God directly addresses Calvinist about their attitude toward Him?What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, ........................Romans 9.
And @ Seth, what if this is the case? What can you do about it?
Where ?Yes! Faith is a gift God gives to everyone.
Romans 1:19+20 and Hebrews 11:1-3Where ?
Chapter and verse please !
He can hate the sinner in a perfectly holy way and still lovingly forgive the sinner at the moment of repentance and faith (Malachi 1:3; Revelation 2:6; 2 Peter 3:9).
Neither passage says God gives faith to everyone, you made that up as usual.Romans 1:19+20 and Hebrews 11:1-3
These describe the gift of faith whereby we can know that God exists. This does not save us, but lets us know (by faith) what we need to know to be able to entrust ourselves to God to be saved.
you proved nothing, All you did was deny what i said, but made no effort to explain anything.Neither passage says God gives faith to everyone, you made that up as usual.
Heb 11
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for(A) and assurance about what we do not see.(B) 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.(C)
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command,(D) so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
Rom 1
For what can be (AL)known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, (AM)have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
any more fallacious arguments?
no wonder you did not paste the actual passages.
We were vessels of wrath before we were savedcivic
This is absolutely false. God never hated the elect, even while they were enemies, ungodly sinners He Loved them. Rom 5:8
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
He Loved them while unrepentant and while in unbelief ! It was because He Loved them, He quickened them while dead in sin Eph 2:4-5
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
You have God being mutable and doubleminded, loving and hating the same sinner !
Since he proved something to me, isn't it true he proved something?you proved nothing, All you did was deny what i said, but made no effort to explain anything.
You didn’t prove everyone has faith including the unsaved . Fallaciousness is your motto.you proved nothing, All you did was deny what i said, but made no effort to explain anything.
Did he quote Romans 12:3? I have him on ignore and can’t (thankfully!!!!!!!!!) read his posts…You didn’t prove everyone has faith including the unsaved . Fallaciousness is your motto.
That's a good place to file some of those types away...Did he quote Romans 12:3? I have him on ignore and can’t (thankfully!!!!!!!!!) read his posts…
context is your friend, when it says not all have faith, it refers to saving faith, but all have been given faith to know God existsSome weird "gospels" "jesus'" and "theology" being preached here by @Sethproton.
Scripture declares not all men have faith.
It doesn't say they haven't "exercised" it, which if you think about it, they cannot exercise what they do not possess.
It doesn't say they really do, but they don't have it. It doesn't say they haven't used it yet.
It doesn't say they don't have it yet, and argument these of his ilk have proffered, which would show that they must get that faith from somewhere totally contradicting their entire case.
Instead, it plainly states not all men have faith, completely contrary to his heresy.
Note 2 Thessalonians 3:2. Also, Romans 10:17 proves faith isn't inherent, but is external and therefore received. It is also proven in Ephesians 1:19, and in other areas of Scripture as several of you have shared, showing it is a gift received, therefore it isn't possessed by everyone.
One fellow on another site argued that even dogs have faith...so I asked him how many poodles he's won to Christ and baptized. It is anything but the truth for these types.
Sure, if you felt he proved something to you, then yes, But since he made no argument, not sure how that proves his positionSince he proved something to me, isn't it true he proved something?
It might seem a contradiction that a God who is love can also hate. Yet that’s exactly what Bible says is true: God is love (1 John 4:8), and God hates (Hosea 9:15). God’s nature is love—He always does what is best for others—and He hates what is contrary to His nature—He hates what is contrary to love.
No one should be surprised to learn that God does hate some things. He created us with the capacity to both love and hate, and we acknowledge that hatred is sometimes justified—we naturally hate things that destroy what we love. This is part of our being created in the image of God. The fact that we are all tainted with sin means that our love and hatred are sometimes misplaced, but the existence of the sin nature does not negate our God-given ability to love and hate. It is no contradiction for a human being to be able to love and hate, and neither is it a contradiction for God to be able to love and hate.