God is not a Designer

rossum

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Actually if God is reality and omniscient God, then in reality everything that exists starts and ends with Him.

If God is reality and omniscient, then everything that exists including conscious beings; exists in and because of Him, then He be the Maker of conscious beings like Himself.
God did not make all conscious beings. God is a conscious being and He did not make Himself. Your claim is in error here.
 

Tercon

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God did not make all conscious beings. God is a conscious being and He did not make Himself. Your claim is in error here.
If God is the truth and reality and it is awareness of the truth and reality that makes conscious beings, then the truth is that God reality must make conscious beings.
 

rossum

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If God is the truth and reality and it is awareness of the truth and reality that makes conscious beings, then the truth is that God reality must make conscious beings.
Your God is an unconscious God then. Hmmm... I'll get back to you on that one when your God wakes up. After all, if He is omnipotent He can go to sleep, can't He?
 

Tercon

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Your God is an unconscious God then. Hmmm... I'll get back to you on that one when your God wakes up. After all, if He is omnipotent He can go to sleep, can't He?
No I am pretty sure that it the believing of truth that makes us conscious of reality.
 

ferengi

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G. God does not do that; He merely accesses His omni-google and retrieves the completed design which is already held there. He does not create anything new, He merely replicates what was already present in His omni-google. That is not design, simply retrieval of existing data, which is a very different operation.

Whatever it is that God does, it is not design. God cannot design anything new because everything that has existed, does exist or will exist is already available in God's own personal omni-google feed. There is nothing God can do that is not already in His omni-google.
Prove it
 

Tercon

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Your God is an unconscious God then. Hmmm... I'll get back to you on that one when your God wakes up. After all, if He is omnipotent He can go to sleep, can't He?
Don't know about you, but believing the truth makes me conscious of reality.
We are pretty sure that you don't have the foggiest idea of what you're talking about.
Why can't you refute anything I say then? Here I am talking about how and why the truth and reality is known to us, and you're here denying the ONLY way the truth and reality is known to you.
Do you think a six month old baby is conscious of reality?
Strawman. Are you "a six month old baby" silly?
 

The Pixie

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Strawman. Are you "a six month old baby" silly?
But you said :"No I am pretty sure that it the believing of truth that makes us conscious of reality."

Is a six month baby conscious of reality? I am pretty sure he or she is. Does the baby believe the truth? You tell me, but I would guess no. So you claim that being conscious of reality relies on believing the truth is refuted.
 

Tercon

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But you said :"No I am pretty sure that it the believing of truth that makes us conscious of reality."

Is a six month baby conscious of reality? I am pretty sure he or she is. Does the baby believe the truth? You tell me, but I would guess no. So you claim that being conscious of reality relies on believing the truth is refuted.
Strawman. I don't know and neither do you, because I cannot remember being conscious of anything when I was 6 months old. So, your criticism isn't applicable to my argument. Believing the truth still causes one to be conscious of reality stands.
 

rossum

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I cannot remember being conscious of anything when I was 6 months old.
That is a fault with your memory. A six month old is conscious of when its diaper needs changing. A six month old is conscious of when it is hungry and needs a feed.

Can you remember what you had for breakfast 19 days after your 15th birthday? Does that mean that you were not conscious at age 15?
 

shnarkle

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God is omniscient. He knows everything: past, present and future.

The problem with this is it is simply assumed, and omniscience doesn't allow for any assumptions in the first place. Omniscience cannot be known. In other words, one cannot assume anything about omniscience because nothing can be known about omniscience in the first place.
Whatever it is that God does, it is not design.
Seems like yet another assumption. Whatever God may refer to, there doesn't seem to be any reason to assume he does anything. What is there for him to do? There is nothing to do in the first place.
 

Whateverman

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The problem with this is it is simply assumed, and omniscience doesn't allow for any assumptions in the first place. Omniscience cannot be known. In other words, one cannot assume anything about omniscience because nothing can be known about omniscience in the first place.
What a load of garbage. Possessing all knowledge is omniscience, and this "can be known", because it's the definition of the word.
 

rossum

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The problem with this is it is simply assumed, and omniscience doesn't allow for any assumptions in the first place. Omniscience cannot be known. In other words, one cannot assume anything about omniscience because nothing can be known about omniscience in the first place.
So Christians are wrong when they tell us that God is omniscient and knows everything. What alternative religion would you suggest in place of Christianity?
 

shnarkle

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So Christians are wrong when they tell us that God is omniscient and knows everything.
Yes, it isn't logically consistent to assume omniscience, and then claim that there is anything that can be known about it.
What alternative religion would you suggest in place of Christianity?
The only alternative to religion is no religion at all. In other words, religion means to "bind back" or return, therefore one must actually return instead of continually pretending to go through the motions.. Religion has a goal that must be achieved, not just displayed or appreciated like some sculpture in a museum.
 
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