He is just the dictator trying to bring the God of Jesus who worshiped his God who is a Spirit down to his level is all.
God is the Lord, Jesus is the Lord, therefore Jesus Christ is God. Proof - part 3
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Yes you reject the word of God be in you as well even though we quote who Jesus said he was in the Father, I agree with you for to you Gods word is not in man at all, that is why you worship men as gods.
You think Gods word was only in one man, that kinda leaves you out of His word doesnt it?
You dont believe a thing Jesus said of himself even though he is quoted to you. Read it but you will not believe Jesus in this that is very obvious.
John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
You need to get a life in Christ to be anointed of God yourself and be His righteousness .
Runningman
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Hebrews 13:8 effectually says Jesus doesn't change. If you're saying Jesus is God and then became a man then God changed. The only way to fix that is to be sure to rightly understand Jesus isn't God.
8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
You aren't understanding those because your premise is full of more holes than swiss cheese.
Before you go pushing religious dogma let's see if you can deal with the elephant in the room first.
Can you actually refute any of the points against Jesus not being God?
SavedByTheLord
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So Jesus Christ is still God and God does not change. It never said He could not become a man.
In Rom 15:12, Jesus is referred to as “the root of Jesse”. In Rev 5:5, Christ is called “the Root of David”. And in Rev 22:16, Christ is called “the root and offspring of David”. But in the genealogy of Christ found in Luke 3, the root of Jesse and the root of David is God. So Christ is God.
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This is why I do not follow Paul. Jesus did change and is very obvious he did in Matt 3:16. But the God who is a Spirit and came to that man and opened up who He is and His heaven never changes.
Jesus is only a god to those who do not know the Spirit of God who was in that man from lack in receiving the same Spirit of God in yourself.
Runningman
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I have no problems with things Paul said, but I agree with your point. that Jesus changed on many occasions. Of course your favorite verse Matt 3:16 is a good example among many others like Isaiah 7:14,15 where Immanuel was prophesied to be born of a virgin, however he needed time to know enough to reject evil and choose good. God already knows in His heart mind and soul to reject evil, but Immanuel didn't.
SavedByTheLord
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Then you sound like a polytheist.
The JW Bible, New World Transaltion has Jesus as "a god" in John 1:1
I have several issues with some things Paul presented. Things such as he used witchcraft, trickery, to get people to follow him in his doctrine as a sinner. 2 Cor 12:16. and his take on adoption, either one is born of God or one isn't. Adoption is by law not born of Spirit. Jesus as Gods son wasn't adopted, he also was born of Gods Spirit just as we all are who are born again with that same renewing of mind to think in Gods terms.
Jesus trusted no man nor should we, only;y the Father.
I see things a little differently.
I was virgin to Gods Spirit just as Jesus was virgin to Gods Spirit until he receieved the seed of God who is a Spirit and was born of Gods Spirit in Matt 3:16.
Adam was vcirgin to Gods Spirit until he was born of Gods knowledge in Gen 3;22, only then did he become like God to know this difference. Abraham was virgin to Gods Spirit until the same Spirit of God came to him, Moses was virgin to Gods Spirit until He came to Moses on the mountain, Mary was virgin to Gods Spirit until God came to her by the Spirit He is, same Spirit who was in all of these before her, and Jesus in Matt 3:16 the very same, and 120 in an upper room were virgin to Gods Spirit until they were born of His Spirit.
Everyone is virgin to Gods Spirit until they have received His Spiritual seed in themselves. What is very painful in child birth is giving birth to that seed where Christ, Gods anointing, is birthed out from you.
No one is born with Gods Spirit, mind, until God comes and impregnates you with His same mind. Proof is in Matt 3:16. And yes I use Matt 3;16 very often for it is the way of God for man to give birth to that Christ, Gods anointing, that is within.
Runningman
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If Jesus Christ changes then he isn't God. God has a divine nature and it doesn't change. He also said He isn't a man or a son of man. There's many examples of Jesus not existing until he was a man. Where does the Son say or do anything in the Old Testament? I am not aware of any.
Care to expound how God is One, and sent His child to lead you to the One is polytheist? There is only one God who is Love. There isn't any other.
Then they have it wrong. Man is god only if you worship men as gods.
SavedByTheLord
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The gospel of John declares that Jesus Christ is God in its first verse. Referring to Christ, John wrote:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. - John 1:1
No that is your understanding of it from a mind that is cazrnal, void of having Gods same mind, disposition of it.
Amen, no one escapes this fact who are to be of God themselves as Jesus was of God himself. In the beginning of every mans salvation is the word. And the word became flesh, or flesh. God is within not without as you are without Him.
Theo1689
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Scripture refutes your worthless rationalization:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [...] 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Phil. 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Both of these passges explicitly and clearly teach that Christ was God, and then later on took on a human body of flesh. So Scripture refutes your worthless rationalization.
Exactly!
Christ's divine nature never changed. He simply took on a human nature.
That's why your worthless rationalization fails.
That's referring specifically to the Father, not to the Son.
John 1:1,14 and Phil. 2:5-8 both refute your worthless rationalization.
Only if you IGNORE John 1:1, 8:58, Phil. 2:5-6, Heb. 7:3, etc. etc. etc.
You are guilty of the Arian heresy.
Glad you asked!
John 12:41 Isaiah said these things because he saw [Christ's] glory and spoke of him. 42 Nevertheless, many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the glory that comes from man more than the glory that comes from God.
Where did Isaiah see Christ's glory?
Isa. 6:1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one called to another and said:
“Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts;
the whole earth is full of his glory!”
Isa. 6:4 And the foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who called, and the house was filled with smoke. 5 And I said: “Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts!”
Runningman
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No that's wrong. Jesus isn't YHWH. Lord ≠ LORD. So let's clear the confusion for you that the Pharisees also had. Is Jesus David's son or YHWH's son?
Psalm 110
1The LORD [YHWH] said to my Lord:[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”
Matt 22
41While the Pharisees were assembled, Jesus questioned them: 42“What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is He?”
“David’s,” they answered.
43Jesus said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord’? For he says:
44‘The Lord[YHWH] said to my Lord,[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
until I put Your enemies
under Your feet.” ’
45So if David calls Him ‘Lord,’ how can He be David’s son?”
46No one was able to answer a word, and from that day on no one dared to question Him any further.
SavedByTheLord
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In Titus 2:13, Jesus Christ is called “the great God”. This is another proof that Jesus is God.
Runningman
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Runningman
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Don’t change the subject. Your reply has nothing to do with the fact that Jesus is YHWH and thus is not God.
Theo1689
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I don't know why you are addressing me, since I didn't bring up any "Lord" arguments. But I believe @SavedByTheLord did. You really have difficulty paying attention to who you are responding to, don't you? Please try to pay better attention in the future.
But I will share my agreement with SbtL that the term, "Lord" in the NT, used of Jesus, is a further testimony to His deity. And no, there is no difference between "Lord" and "LORD" in the spoken word.
Runningman
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The LORD
יְהוָ֨ה ׀ (Yah·weh)
Said
to my Lord:
לַֽאדֹנִ֗י (la·ḏō·nî)
No you’re wrong about that for sure. So who is the Lord sitting at God’s right hand?
Psalm 110
1The LORD [YHWH] said to my Lord: [Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”