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Which TR text is the correct one?
Their use of this letter as "proof" that they were into Rome and the Occult was just as "valid" as when the JW would quote Dr Mantley on how they can use Greek to deny Jesus was God, and he had to send them a letter to rebuke them!You really should check the facts before you accuse someone of being a cultist. You should also know what Riplinger said about Westcott. A blatant lie.
Here is the KJVO lie, corrected by the Westcott and Hort Resource Centre.
Quote #2: "After leaving the monastery, we shaped our course to a little oratory which we discovered on the summit of a neighbouring hill. . . . Fortunately we found the door open. It is very small, with one kneeling place; and behind a screen was a ‘Pieta’ the size of life [i.e. a Virgin and dead Christ]. . . . Had I been alone I could have knelt there for hours." (Life and Letters of Westcott, Vol. I, pg. 81)
The quote originally was dug out of Westcott's writings by Seventh-Day Adventist pastor and KJV-only granddaddy Benjamin Wilkinson, in his 1930 book "Our Authorized Bible Vindicated", which was later reused by KJV-only authors J.J. Ray in "God Wrote Only One Bible" in 1955 and David Otis Fuller in "Which Bible?" in 1970. Since then, the quote has become well-used, appearing in many KJV-only publications and websites, in an attempt to show that Westcott was Catholic and/or worshipped Mary, etc. The quote comes from a letter Wescott wrote to his fiancée in 1847, when he was 22 years old and sight-seeing in the town of Ashby de la Zouch in England. The entire letter is reproduced below, with the quote in bold and important context underlined:
ASHBY-DE-LA-ZOUCH,
2nd Sunday after Epiphany, 1847.
1 Carmelite settlement at Grâce Dieu.
You can see from the important context throughout the letter, including context that was skipped over and replaced with the second ellipsis, that Westcott had harsh words for Catholicism. In just this short letter, he expressed that he viewed the life of a monk as "selfish", and that he believed the "Romish Church" (a derogatory term a Catholic would not use) to be "in error". He even called the crucifix "superstition" and "infamy" when compared to a plain cross. Lastly, he refers briefly to the "distress in Ireland", which is undoubtedly the severe famine that started in 1845 and lasted until 1851, resulting in the death of approximately 20% of the population. Westcott expresses that he feels this distress is "closely connected" with "its spiritual degradation" - the Irish at that time in strong opposition to the British State Church (Anglican) and growing in Catholicism, Catholics outnumbering Protestants approximately seven to one by 1861.
The 1611 translators would have NEVER viewed their Kjv as Kjvo do!
Are you saying that the inspiration God gave to the Originals he gave also to the Kjv? If the Kjv differed from Hebrew/Greek texts, who would be final authority?
ANY proof of them being into the Occult?
So you have no evidemce, just subjective 'truth". same way \Mormons have in their "burning bosoms"
Leatherneck0311
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You have ignored the truth and facts. Carry on.
Which TR is the right Greek text, and which edition of the Kjv, as the 1611 and later editions had hundreds of differences?
You are describing you yourself. Over and over you have ignored the truth and verifiable facts. You believe blindly assertions for the KJV that are not true.
He has nothing in his tank and in engaging in empty bragging.
Most KJVOs reduce themselves to this because that cannot discuss KJVOism in depth.
Obviously, you need more time than 30 seconds to think about what I posted
Here are a few more seconds to think.....................................................................................................................................................
The answer is that the Greek and Hebrew are ALWAYS primary because they were written first.
EVERY translation is a derivative from those original languages. Therefore, if there are any "discrepancies" it is most likely ewth the derivitive, such as the KJV
no, they are primary since they were based upon the inspired texts, while the Kjv is but a translation!Obviously, you need more time than 30 seconds to think about what I posted
Here are a few more seconds to think.....................................................................................................................................................
The answer is that the Greek and Hebrew are ALWAYS primary because they were written first.
EVERY translation is a derivative from those original languages. Therefore, if there are any "discrepancies" it is most likely ewth the derivitive, such as the KJV
You need to go and read the dictionary. Primary is FIRST, and It is the original source. Otherwise, you are doing as Humpty Dumpty did, and create your own meanings of words, and have no idea of what you mean.:
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
I posted nothing of the sort of nonsense you are presenting as a summary of my post. This stuff is simply CRAP!!!
What you posted, has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand.
FIRST, the KJV differs from the Greek and Hebrew because it is written in Shakespearian-style English, not in either Hebrew or koine Greek.
SECOND, is it your position that "final authority" ais a function of language? What then is it that gives any one of those three languages aa superiority whereby anyone could use those words "final authority" to stand above the other two languages? Again, you are making up unsubstantiated nonsense, which is not mentioned in Scripture itself.
The Greek and Hebrew texts are the sources and have authority over any and all translations based off them!
organgrinder
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Huh? What truth and facts? Did you post them?
Leatherneck0311
Well-known member
Go back and read previous post.
organgrinder
Super Member
Nothing there. Post of what facts and truth. I haven't seen anything. Specific post number?
Leatherneck0311
Well-known member
If you’re interested read previous post I am not your secretary