God vs Human Rights

Furion

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Yes He can, but by doing so He forfeits the claim to be "loving".
Hardly. Go count your many sins and remember, the soul that sinneth shall surely die.

Is there something confusing to you that you forfeit your life because of your sin?
I do not think "I love you, and I killed you, your wife and your unborn child" is going to win him many friends.
You and yours are all gonna die man. If you make it to seventy then the Lord gave you a full life, be grateful. If you make it to eighty you had some strength left, praise God some more.
 

rossum

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Hardly. Go count your many sins and remember, the soul that sinneth shall surely die.
Sin is a Christian concept, not a Buddhist one. The cause of death is birth. Jesus was born, and He died. Everyone that is born, dies.

Is there something confusing to you that you forfeit your life because of your sin?
I will forfeit my life because I was born. I was born because of my unwise actions in previous lives. Buddhism is not Christianity, so many of your assumptions do not apply. I am working from a different set of scriptures.

You and yours are all gonna die man. If you make it to seventy then the Lord gave you a full life, be grateful. If you make it to eighty you had some strength left, praise God some more.
And you are going to die again and again and again and again... unless you can find the way to avoid being reborn. Karma will get you every time if you can't.
 

Furion

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Sin is a Christian concept, not a Buddhist one. The cause of death is birth. Jesus was born, and He died. Everyone that is born, dies.
Then you'll just get run over in your inability to acknowledge your sin.

Dude, you can't start complaining about God, how unfair it all is, and then try to weasel out of sin. It's juvenile. I'm being nice about it.

Take all of God and deal with it, or none at all. No one is talking about your Buddha.
 

rossum

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Then you'll just get run over in your inability to acknowledge your sin.
I do not acknowledge anybody's sin. All I acknowledge are their wise actions and their unwise actions.

Dude, you can't start complaining about God, how unfair it all is, and then try to weasel out of sin. It's juvenile. I'm being nice about it.
I do not have to "weasel out" of something that does not exist. Your beliefs are not mine.

No one is talking about your Buddha.
Welcome to Zen Buddhism. "What is the sound of no one talking about the Buddha?" :)
 

Furion

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I do not acknowledge anybody's sin. All I acknowledge are their wise actions and their unwise actions.


I do not have to "weasel out" of something that does not exist. Your beliefs are not mine.


Welcome to Zen Buddhism. "What is the sound of no one talking about the Buddha?" :)
Well there is nothing about the fat man that holds anyone's interest here, and you'll forever be background noise on a Christian board.
 

Howie

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To be clear here, I am not telling God what he should be doing. I am pointing out a logical contradiction in Christianity which on the one hand posits a loving God, someone we would expect to act perfectly morally, including upholding basic human rights, and on the other hand a petty, vindictive tyrant who chooses to torture anyone who dares not to love
Christianity doesn't posit that. Your "logic and reasoning," so-called, driven by your emotions have posited that. You are an emotionally driven fellow. I hear it in your writing. I'm still waiting to see any real logic in your writing.
 

Howie

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So you think telling someone to do something, and torturing them if they fail to do so is compatible with love?
Do you think God, taking flesh upon Himself, to partake in the experience of the weakness, frailty and infirmities of human flesh, and who came into the world for the purpose of giving His life for yours, knowing full-well at that time that you would reject Him, call Him names, mock Him, disrespect Him, deny Him is compatible with love?
 

The Pixie

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Do you think God, taking flesh upon Himself, to partake in the experience of the weakness, frailty and infirmities of human flesh, and who came into the world for the purpose of giving His life for yours, knowing full-well at that time that you would reject Him, call Him names, mock Him, disrespect Him, deny Him is compatible with love?
It could be, but not necessarily, but it could have been to encourage more people to worship him. To be frank, that makes more sense than Jesus giving his life for mine. What does that actually mean? People die just as much after Jesus was crucified as they did before. There was no effect on physical death. God could defeat Satan, forgive sins, etc. without Jesus dying. So why did Jesus have to die?

If God is all-powerful, why did he need Jesus' death to do something? The nly purpose I can see that actually makes sense is that it was a spectacle designed to draw attention to Jesus' message, which was to love God with all your heart, mind and soul.
 

Howie

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It could be, but not necessarily, but it could have been to encourage more people to worship him. To be frank, that makes more sense than Jesus giving his life for mine. What does that actually mean? People die just as much after Jesus was crucified as they did before. There was no effect on physical death. God could defeat Satan, forgive sins, etc. without Jesus dying. So why did Jesus have to die?

If God is all-powerful, why did he need Jesus' death to do something? The nly purpose I can see that actually makes sense is that it was a spectacle designed to draw attention to Jesus' message, which was to love God with all your heart, mind and soul.
 
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