sk0rpi0n
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Different kind of flesh. Ishamael was from a carnal relationship. Isaac was from his wife based on a promise.
Isaac was also born of a "carnal relationship", i.e., sexual activity between Abraham and Sarah.
Different kind of flesh. Ishamael was from a carnal relationship. Isaac was from his wife based on a promise.
No mention of the angel being Jesus. You have an active imagination.
Agreed.Ha! Christians have no problem saying Jesus appeared as an angel but then they'll turn around and accuse the Jehovah's Witnesses of heresy for teaching that Jesus was once an angel!
It's all so inconsistent that it's laughable.
Well the NT is wrong since the Tanakh is clear only the Father created. I don't accept mystery religions.Yes, that distinction is only in the New Covenant. It is also part of the Trinity: The Father, The Word, and The Holy Spirit. You obviously won't accept that and I don't expect you to, but that is just one of the mysteries revealed in the New Covenant.
This is funny. So each one of your gods is incomplete without the others, and truly not the God. BTW, Jesus didn't have a body at the beginning.Yes, and man is made in Their Image as a triune being. We have a body (which correlates to Jesus), a mind (which is the Father) and a heart/conscience (The Holy Spirit.). Just as I am one person. They are one God. Seeing as Jesus was the Word of God, He is just as much God as the Holy Spirit.
All angels are created. The angel of the Lord was also present at the announcement of Jesus' birth, Matthew 1:20, etc.We are just talking about angels, and yes, no angel has been worshiped, and that is the reason why the Angel of the Lord is not a created being. We only find out in the New Testament that the Angel of the Lord, which angels are messengers, was the Word, and then Jesus.
What you're sharing isn't knowledge.I know you won't believe that, but I just want you to have that knowledge.
No, it was holy ground because God spoke there.Even though it was the Angel of the Lord, it was holy ground, because the Angel of the Lord is God, just as the Word is God and so is the Holy Spirit
Really?It is called a theophany.
Which is contradictory since God can't die.Exactly, so He had to put part of Himself into Mary to produce a being/human that could die.
Still a carnal relationship. Paul's words are worthless.Different kind of flesh. Ishamael was from a carnal relationship. Isaac was from his wife based on a promise.
Which is false. Gentiles could join Israel. One law for the native and stranger.There were no bulls or goats sacrificed to cover the sins of Gentiles, only Israel. This was a much more powerful sacrifice to cove the whole world and had no precedent for in the past.
Then worship on the true Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man.As far as the letter of the law, I agree. Sunday is not the Sabbath. In fact a command to worship and on which day is not part of the New Covenant. It is all about wanting to with our heart. And Sunday is resurrection day, without which His sacrifice wouldn't have been ratified.
Who said the lamb was accepted?Jesus being accepted as the spotless lamb of God is proof He never sinned.
Isaac was also born of a "carnal relationship", i.e., sexual activity between Abraham and Sarah.
All angels are created. The angel of the Lord was also present at the announcement of Jesus' birth, Matthew 1:20, etc.
No mention of the angel being Jesus. You have an active imagination.
Ha! Christians have no problem saying Jesus appeared as an angel but then they'll turn around and accuse the Jehovah's Witnesses of heresy for teaching that Jesus was once an angel!
It's all so inconsistent that it's laughable.
Agreed.Ha! Christians have no problem saying Jesus appeared as an angel but then they'll turn around and accuse the Jehovah's Witnesses of heresy for teaching that Jesus was once an angel!
It's all so inconsistent that it's laughable.
Abraham had 2 wives. Nothing wrong with that.Carnal is outside of God's will. God created sex, but with your wife.
No you didn't. I just showed you that the angel of the lord in the NT isn't Jesus.I just showed you that the Angel of the Lord was God.
Rotfl... I wasn't saying I agreed with the JW stance, but they have a right to argue Christian inconsistencies. So, please don't be ignorant before you post a response.FYI, the JW's are committing heresy by only calling Jesus an angel as opposed to recognizing him as God, as the NT says over and over again. They are not wrong to recognize that Jesus appeared as an angel in the OT, they are wrong to claim he was only an angel. All these "inconsistencies" you guys see are really just ignorance on your part. I wouldn't laugh at my own ignorance, but if that how you like to roll, have fun.
God Bless
No you didn't. I just showed you that the angel of the lord in the NT isn't Jesus.
Rotfl... I wasn't saying I agreed with the JW stance, but they have a right to argue Christian inconsistencies. So, please don't be ignorant before you post a response.FYI, the JW's are committing heresy by only calling Jesus an angel as opposed to recognizing him as God, as the NT says over and over again. They are not wrong to recognize that Jesus appeared as an angel in the OT, they are wrong to claim he was only an angel. All these "inconsistencies" you guys see are really just ignorance on your part. I wouldn't laugh at my own ignorance, but if that how you like to roll, have fun.
In my view, Jesus is nothing but a man. That's pretty clear.
No, you're reading into the verses what you want.J, I showed you that God spoke at the burning bush and was called the Angel of the Lord. Do you actually deny this?
Rotfl.... ok, again.This time read it!
So, the angel of the Lord appeared as a flame. This is consistent with Psalm 104:3-4 that says the wind, fire, are angels.Exodus 3: 2 And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush.
Yes, God's voice called from the midst of the bush. No different than when His voice spoke on Mt. Sinai.So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
4 So when the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
5 Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” 6 Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.
Rotfl... I've pointed out all of your inconsistencies countless times. Oh well.I didn't imply you agreed with. the JW stance.
- JWs have a right to be wrong? Okay.
- In reality, what you call "Christian inconsistencies" are really just expressions of your ignorance as I've pointed out countless times.
Theological biases work both ways. You've admitted above Jesus was a man. There's not much else to say.Jesus was a man; but the only reason why you think he is only a man is because of theological biases that cause you to ignore all evidence to the contrary.
He has.God Bless
I'm talking about Moses and the other prophets calling themselves God, or others. Can you tell me the difference?I'm talking about Moses calling a man who met with Abraham YHWH in Genesis 18-19. You are choosing to look at other passages that are not equalivant in any way given the use of the divine name in Genesis 18-19. Are you using this technique to hide your incompetence from the reader? Why don't you stick with the actual passage. Why don't you quote it? Answer: it is plain, and it condemns you. Good luck rejecting Scripture in light of the opinions of the men.
He sure has.God Bless
No, you're reading into the verses what you want.
Rotfl.... ok, again.
So, the angel of the Lord appeared as a flame. This is consistent with Psalm 104:3-4 that says the wind, fire, are angels.
Yes, God's voice called from the midst of the bush. No different than when His voice spoke on Mt. Sinai.
Deut 4
12And the LORD spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of the words, but saw no form; there was only a voice.
Anything else?
You're not listening. Can you read?So you are actually believing that there were two beings - the Angel of the Lord as the fire, not the voice, AND God's voice.
Ha! Christians have no problem saying Jesus appeared as an angel but then they'll turn around and accuse the Jehovah's Witnesses of heresy for teaching that Jesus was once an angel!
It's all so inconsistent that it's laughable.
Jesus was more than just a man. He was God in the flesh. You will never understand it because you lack the Godly wisdom. You must be Born Again to understand the things of God.Rotfl... I wasn't saying I agreed with the JW stance, but they have a right to argue Christian inconsistencies. So, please don't be ignorant before you post a response.
In my view, Jesus is nothing but a man. That's pretty clear.