Good Wednesday

puddleglum

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Two days before Easter we observe Good Friday as the day on which Jesus was crucified. For anyone who is familiar with Jesus’ predictions about his death and resurrection this raises a problem. He said that just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights he would be in the earth three days and three nights. But how could this be if he was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday? Friday, Saturday, and Sunday make up three days but there are only two nights.

The Bible says that the women who discovered that his tomb was empty came early on the first day of the week, which in the Jewish calendar was Sunday, so there is no doubt about which day the resurrection took place.

But was the crucifixion really on Friday? The Bible says it took place on the day before the Sabbath, and since Saturday is the Sabbath it would seem that it must have been on a Friday. But John 19:31 says,

That Sabbath was a high day.

Does this mean that it wasn’t the regular weekly Sabbath?

The Sabbath was a day in which work was prohibited. Leviticus 23 shows that there was more than one kind of Sabbath. Verse three says that the seventh day of every week was a Sabbath.

Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

But the rest of the chapter describes annual feasts that the Israelites were to observe and they included days in which work was forbidden. These Sabbaths were to be observed on a specific day of the month so they could fall on any day of the week.

Jesus was crucified on Passover, which was the 14th day of the first month. Leviticus 23:5-7 shows that Passover was followed immediately by the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread and the first day of this feast, which was the day after Passover, was day in which work was forbidden.

In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the LORD’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work.

Since this day was on the 15th day of the month it could fall on any day of the week.

On what day of the week must Jesus have been crucified if he was to stay buried for three days and three nights? He was taken down from the cross and buried just before sunset, which the Jews considered the start of the new day. If the crucifixion was on a Wednesday then he would have been buried all of Thursday, the Sabbath which was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; Friday, which was a regular work day; and Saturday, the regular weekly Sabbath. His resurrection occurred just after sunset on Saturday, when the first day of the week began, and the women came to the tomb the next morning and found it empty. It is commonly believed that Jesus rose on Sunday morning but actually that is when the women discovered that his tomb was empty.

Luke 23:54-56 shows clearly that this was what happened.

It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed and say the tomb and how his body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and ointment. On the Sabbath day they rested according to the commandment.

The women saw Jesus buried as the Sabbath was beginning, prepared spices and ointment to anoint his body, and then rested on the Sabbath. These must have been two different Sabbath, because they wouldn’t have had time to prepare the spices on the same day as the burial. On Friday they prepared the spices but couldn’t put them on Jesus’ body that day because the tomb was being guarded by Roman soldiers.

The practice of observing Good Friday arose because the belief arose that the Sabbath after the crucifixion and the Sabbath before the resurrection were the same day. If people understood the Bible better we would probably observe Good Wednesday instead.
 

En Hakkore

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Two days before Easter we observe Good Friday as the day on which Jesus was crucified. For anyone who is familiar with Jesus’ predictions about his death and resurrection this raises a problem. He said that just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights he would be in the earth three days and three nights. But how could this be if he was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday? Friday, Saturday, and Sunday make up three days but there are only two nights.

The Bible says that the women who discovered that his tomb was empty came early on the first day of the week, which in the Jewish calendar was Sunday, so there is no doubt about which day the resurrection took place.

But was the crucifixion really on Friday? The Bible says it took place on the day before the Sabbath, and since Saturday is the Sabbath it would seem that it must have been on a Friday. But John 19:31 says,



Does this mean that it wasn’t the regular weekly Sabbath?

The Sabbath was a day in which work was prohibited. Leviticus 23 shows that there was more than one kind of Sabbath. Verse three says that the seventh day of every week was a Sabbath.



But the rest of the chapter describes annual feasts that the Israelites were to observe and they included days in which work was forbidden. These Sabbaths were to be observed on a specific day of the month so they could fall on any day of the week.

Jesus was crucified on Passover, which was the 14th day of the first month. Leviticus 23:5-7 shows that Passover was followed immediately by the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread and the first day of this feast, which was the day after Passover, was day in which work was forbidden.



Since this day was on the 15th day of the month it could fall on any day of the week.

On what day of the week must Jesus have been crucified if he was to stay buried for three days and three nights? He was taken down from the cross and buried just before sunset, which the Jews considered the start of the new day. If the crucifixion was on a Wednesday then he would have been buried all of Thursday, the Sabbath which was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; Friday, which was a regular work day; and Saturday, the regular weekly Sabbath. His resurrection occurred just after sunset on Saturday, when the first day of the week began, and the women came to the tomb the next morning and found it empty. It is commonly believed that Jesus rose on Sunday morning but actually that is when the women discovered that his tomb was empty.

Luke 23:54-56 shows clearly that this was what happened.



The women saw Jesus buried as the Sabbath was beginning, prepared spices and ointment to anoint his body, and then rested on the Sabbath. These must have been two different Sabbath, because they wouldn’t have had time to prepare the spices on the same day as the burial. On Friday they prepared the spices but couldn’t put them on Jesus’ body that day because the tomb was being guarded by Roman soldiers.

The practice of observing Good Friday arose because the belief arose that the Sabbath after the crucifixion and the Sabbath before the resurrection were the same day. If people understood the Bible better we would probably observe Good Wednesday instead.
Your post glosses over the chronological conflict between John and the other gospels. Matthew, Mark and Luke are clear that the meal Jesus shares with his disciples on the eve before his crucifixion is a Passover meal. John is equally clear that Jesus is crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover. Both traditions are steeped in theological significance... Jesus is the lamb slain on Passover who takes away the sin of the world in John whereas in the other three gospels Jesus institutes a new covenant during the high celebration of the prior covenant. It is difficult to decide which, if any, of these chronologies is historically accurate and they cannot both be correct. Both attach a particular significance to Jesus' death that are not mutually exclusive and this, coupled with belief in the resurrection, should be the main points taken away from the gospel narratives of the passion and resurrection rather than trying to harmonize their finer details...

Kind regards,
Jonathan
 

Gary Mac

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Two days before Easter we observe Good Friday as the day on which Jesus was crucified. For anyone who is familiar with Jesus’ predictions about his death and resurrection this raises a problem. He said that just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights he would be in the earth three days and three nights. But how could this be if he was crucified on Friday and resurrected on Sunday? Friday, Saturday, and Sunday make up three days but there are only two nights.

The Bible says that the women who discovered that his tomb was empty came early on the first day of the week, which in the Jewish calendar was Sunday, so there is no doubt about which day the resurrection took place.

But was the crucifixion really on Friday? The Bible says it took place on the day before the Sabbath, and since Saturday is the Sabbath it would seem that it must have been on a Friday. But John 19:31 says,



Does this mean that it wasn’t the regular weekly Sabbath?

The Sabbath was a day in which work was prohibited. Leviticus 23 shows that there was more than one kind of Sabbath. Verse three says that the seventh day of every week was a Sabbath.



But the rest of the chapter describes annual feasts that the Israelites were to observe and they included days in which work was forbidden. These Sabbaths were to be observed on a specific day of the month so they could fall on any day of the week.

Jesus was crucified on Passover, which was the 14th day of the first month. Leviticus 23:5-7 shows that Passover was followed immediately by the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread and the first day of this feast, which was the day after Passover, was day in which work was forbidden.



Since this day was on the 15th day of the month it could fall on any day of the week.

On what day of the week must Jesus have been crucified if he was to stay buried for three days and three nights? He was taken down from the cross and buried just before sunset, which the Jews considered the start of the new day. If the crucifixion was on a Wednesday then he would have been buried all of Thursday, the Sabbath which was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; Friday, which was a regular work day; and Saturday, the regular weekly Sabbath. His resurrection occurred just after sunset on Saturday, when the first day of the week began, and the women came to the tomb the next morning and found it empty. It is commonly believed that Jesus rose on Sunday morning but actually that is when the women discovered that his tomb was empty.

Luke 23:54-56 shows clearly that this was what happened.



The women saw Jesus buried as the Sabbath was beginning, prepared spices and ointment to anoint his body, and then rested on the Sabbath. These must have been two different Sabbath, because they wouldn’t have had time to prepare the spices on the same day as the burial. On Friday they prepared the spices but couldn’t put them on Jesus’ body that day because the tomb was being guarded by Roman soldiers.

The practice of observing Good Friday arose because the belief arose that the Sabbath after the crucifixion and the Sabbath before the resurrection were the same day. If people understood the Bible better we would probably observe Good Wednesday instead.
What difference does it make, Gods kingdom is not about days, or months or years, it is about you being like Him and in His same image as Jesus was in His image.
 

rstrats

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What difference does it make,...

Well, when asked by the scribes and Pharisees for a sign of his authority, the Messiah said that the only sign would be His time in the "heart of the earth" for three days AND three nights. So if He didn't spend that amount of time, it seems that He would not qualify.
 

Gary Mac

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Well, when asked by the scribes and Pharisees for a sign of his authority, the Messiah said that the only sign would be His time in the "heart of the earth" for three days AND three nights. So if He didn't spend that amount of time, it seems that He would not qualify.
Seems you are seeking that same sign as these looking into a grave and missing the One who is at your door knocking this day waiting for you to let Him come into your being. You are waiting for him to come out from that grave someday which religious people has been seeking for over 2000 years when all the wile he is knocking.

Those who seek a sign there will be no sign given. God is not about signs He is about manifesting Himself in you.
 

Gary Mac

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Except for the sign of Jonah. You seem to be saying that it doesn't matter if the Messiah spent the 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth or not.
Doesnt matter at all because for religious folk, he has been in that grave for the past 2000 years and they still wait for him to come out of it and save them.

What matters is the One who does come and is at your door knocking that He be in you and you be in Him as one as He came to Jesus and opened all of His heaven to that man for Jesus to be one in the Father and the Father as one in Him as Jesus prayed to Him for you to be the same in John 17, that you would have His same mind and walk in it as Jesus walked in it. And when you do see Him as He really is ye shall be like Him. 1 John 3.
 

Fenuay

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Except for the sign of Jonah. You seem to be saying that it doesn't matter if the Messiah spent the 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth or not.
Do you think that this would mean Jesus was then not the Messiah?
 

Fenuay

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Doesnt matter at all because for religious folk, he has been in that grave for the past 2000 years and they still wait for him to come out of it and save them.

What matters is the One who does come and is at your door knocking that He be in you and you be in Him as one as He came to Jesus and opened all of His heaven to that man for Jesus to be one in the Father and the Father as one in Him as Jesus prayed to Him for you to be the same in John 17, that you would have His same mind and walk in it as Jesus walked in it. And when you do see Him as He really is ye shall be like Him. 1 John 3.
No Christian believes he is still in the grave.
 

Gary Mac

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No Christian believes he is still in the grave.
Then why are they waiting for him to apper from it?o

BTW a CHristian as Jesus was in the Father no different at all, same anointing, same walk as He walks in His same light, perfect as our Father inheaven is perfect, and we are like Him. 1 John 3, when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well.

The term Christian ia widly abused by the laws man has established to regukate their beliefs for a god that their gods may obey them instead of having and being as the One who sent Jesus to show you what it is to be of Him as Jesus was of Him. Not very many follow the way od Jesus at all to the Father, they have made him a god instead of the One who was in Jesus. .
 

Fenuay

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Then why are they waiting for him to apper from it?o

BTW a CHristian as Jesus was in the Father no different at all, same anointing, same walk as He walks in His same light, perfect as our Father inheaven is perfect, and we are like Him. 1 John 3, when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well.

The term Christian ia widly abused by the laws man has established to regukate their beliefs for a god that their gods may obey them instead of having and being as the One who sent Jesus to show you what it is to be of Him as Jesus was of Him. Not very many follow the way od Jesus at all to the Father, they have made him a god instead of the One who was in Jesus. .
This is truth for you. I'm done debating this with you. There is no benefit to either of us.
 

Hark

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The practice of observing Good Friday arose because the belief arose that the Sabbath after the crucifixion and the Sabbath before the resurrection were the same day. If people understood the Bible better we would probably observe Good Wednesday instead.
Since the annual Passover/sabbath is yearly and can fall on a different day of the week each year, is probably why it is overlooked for how the 3 days & 3 nights were fulfilled in scripture.

It is my understanding that the Romans Catholic Church was the one that instituted that Good Friday in error. I cannot prove it, but that is my recollection on it, poor as it is.
 

rstrats

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Do you think that this would mean Jesus was then not the Messiah?

Assuming that the "heart of the earth" was referring to the tomb and that He actually meant with His prophesy that He would spend at least a portion of each one of three daytimes and at least a portion of each one of three night times there, I think a case for that might reasonably be made should it be a fact that He wasn't there for all of those times.
 

Gary Mac

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This is truth for you. I'm done debating this with you. There is no benefit to either of us.
I understand.

Not very many find benefit in the way of Jesus Chtist to be in the Father as He was in the Father as the Father demands of us if we are to be His child, His son, and walk as He walks in His same light.

Few who actually find His way to be.

But you are totally wrong in your assesment that He is of no benefit for me.
 
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Fenuay

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I understand.

Not very many find benefit in the way of Jesus Chtist to be in the Father as He was in the Father as the Father demands of us if we are to be His child, His son, and walk as He walks in His same light.

Few who actually find His way to be.

But you are totally wrong in your assesment that He is of no benefit for me.
He is of benefit for you. I never said He wasn't. Stop misrepresenting other posters.
 

rstrats

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The Bible says that the women who discovered that his tomb was empty came early on the first day of the week, which in the Jewish calendar was Sunday, so there is no doubt about which day the resurrection took place.

Actually, the verses which speak of the tomb being empty when the women arrive only say that it was empty. The don't say when it became empty. Only Mark 16:9 - as it is translated in the KJV and similar versions - says that it was on the first of the week, and even that verse is questionable as to its authenticity.
 

rstrats

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If people understood the Bible better we would probably observe Good Wednesday instead.
A 4th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection would involve 5 calendar days and at least portions of 4 daytimes and at least portions of 4 night times.
 

puddleglum

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A 4th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection would involve 5 calendar days and at least portions of 4 daytimes and at least portions of 4 night times.

But the time Jesus actually spent in the tomb would be three days and three nights.
 
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