Grim milestone: 1 in 500 Americans died from Covid-19

[Bonnie]

I hope you gave your grandson ivermectin.

Now, where would I get ivermectin to personally give to my grandson...? At a horse feed store??? I would never, ever do something so stupid!

The doctor that saw my grandson just told my daughter to give him OTC meds--Tylenol, decongestant, cough syrup. He is feeling much better, congestion down, no fever. I don't know if he has gotten back his sense of smell yet. But he got rapidly better WITHOUT ivetmectin.

 

[CrowCross]

That is absolutely rubbish! The virus is the pathogen! Especially the Delta variant!

You can believe whatever you want to believe. But, it is a fact the spike protein doesn't stay in the muscle..as some of it travels. That fact you can also call rubbish.

 

[Bonnie]

You remind us you are a medical outsider with left winger talking points. The Clot shot is not working. It is not a vaccine.

And your posts remind us that you have yet to tell us up front exactly what YOUR medical qualifications are--except spending an hour in a pathology department, and having a lot of framed stuff on your wall.

Yes, the vaccine is working, by helping to prevent more serious illness and hospitalization in those that do catch it, with the Delta variant responsible for about 90% of the cases nowadays. But do not forget--the vast majority of those hospitalized ARE NOT VACCINATED against covid-19.

 

[CrowCross]

Now, where would I get ivermectin to personally give to my grandson...? At a horse feed store??? I would never, ever do something so stupid!

Here's one way to get a prescription. Friends of mine got a prescription...kinda funny, until I typed the word and got spelling corrected I always thought it was a perscription. ...they know a local doctor not part of an association or hospital and obtained one. They got better. I also know of a person who's father was sent home and when he got worse the hospital finally accepted him. Hind sight is 20/20. They said if they knew about ivermectin they would have given it to their father. He died. Considering ivermectin won't harm you I don't think it would be considered as stupid to give it a try.

The doctor that saw my grandson just told my daughter to give him OTC meds--Tylenol, decongestant, cough syrup. He is feeling much better, congestion down, no fever. I don't know if he has gotten back his sense of smell yet. But he got rapidly better WITHOUT ivetmectin.

From what I hear some of the flu medicines are based off of shikimic acid which they say helps keeps the spikes from binding to the cells.
I'm happy to hear he's gotten better.

From what you said above are you saying Tylenol, decongestant, cough syrup help cure the virus?

 

[CrowCross]

But do not forget--the vast majority of those hospitalized ARE NOT VACCINATED against covid-19.

From what I hear if you have had both jabs..and caught covid-19....and it hasn't been 14 days since your second jab you are considered as unvaccinated and your case is counted as such.

Anyway, the problem is this for those who are jabbed....Covid-19 has a spike with the S protein and the vaccine is designed to create antibodies for just the S protein. That's how the jab protects you. It's also derived from the original Covid-19 virus. A person with natural immunity has more protection as they have antibodies from the S protein as well as the other proteins. Later as the new varients arrive which has drifted away from the S protein the body see's the somewhat different spike and thinks it is a spike from the original Covid-19 S protein and then begins to generate an attack against what it thinks is the original Covid-19....and will have no effect of the variant. That will present a problem for that person. Someone who has a natural immunity has a broder range of protection and will be more able to defend against the variants.

 

[Bonnie]

From what I hear if you have had both jabs..and caught covid-19....and it hasn't been 14 days since your second jab you are considered as unvaccinated and your case is counted as such.

Somehow I doubt 97% of those in the hospital for covid are those who only received their first shot and not second...no doubt a few are...but most are,UNVACCINATED.

Anyway, the problem is this for those who are jabbed....Covid-19 has a spike with the S protein and the vaccine is designed to create antibodies for just the S protein. That's how the jab protects you. It's also derived from the original Covid-19 virus. A person with natural immunity has more protection as they have antibodies from the S protein as well as the other proteins.

so, are we supposed to go out and have "infection parties" in the hopes we all get a mild case of covid, to get those antibodies? Problem is, there us no way of knowing who will get the more virulent version and wind up in hospital ICUs. But studies have shown that those who have had covid, then later on, get the vaccine, have the most antibodies. I hope that is true of our daughter, who is diabetic.

Later as the new varients arrive which has drifted away from the S protein the body see's the somewhat different spike and thinks it is a spike from the original Covid-19 S protein and then begins to generate an attack against what it thinks is the original Covid-19....and will have no effect of the variant.

This is false. The vaccine can help a vaccinated person who gets the Delta variant stay out of the hospital and get a much milder case. Remember those party goers on Cape Cod on July 4? Most were vaccinated...and many came down with the Delta variant...but if I remember correctly, only 5 were hospitalized, and NONE DIED.

That will present a problem for that person. Someone who has a natural immunity has a broder range of protection and will be more able to defend against the variants.

That may or may not be true,. But a person first must get the disease, and pray it doesn't turn deadly. But some evidence shows that those who got covid, and recovered, then got the vaccine a few months later have the best antibody load to fight the disease. I hope so, for my diabetic daughter's sake, and my grandson's sake, though he got the disease 5 months after he got his second dose of the vaccine. My daughter got covid back after the first of the year.

 

[Bonnie]

Here's one way to get a prescription.

Thank you. It says I pay $90 and a physician will get back to me in 2-7 days...would I get my money back if I am all better by the time a doctor gets back to me?

Well, one could be all better by that time...or so much worse, one could be in the hospital, unable to see any doctor from Frontline Physicians, which is a very suspicious group.

But it is unnecessary now. And it would be up to my daughter and SIL to obtain ivermectin. And they would first discuss it with their family doctor. Not go by some unknown physician one gets off the Internet.

Friends of mine got a prescription...kinda funny, until I typed the word and got spelling corrected I always thought it was a perscription. ...they know a local doctor not part of an association or hospital and obtained one. They got better. I also know of a person who's father was sent home and when he got worse the hospital finally accepted him. Hind sight is 20/20.

if he had stayed in the hospital,, getting proper treatment, he might have lived, even without ivermectin.

They said if they knew about ivermectin they would have given it to their father. He died. Considering ivermectin won't harm you I don't think it would be considered as stupid to give it a try.

From what I hear some of the flu medicines are based off of shikimic acid which they say helps keeps the spikes from binding to the cells.
I'm happy to hear he's gotten better.

From what you said above are you saying Tylenol, decongestant, cough syrup help cure the virus?

Where did you get the idea I might have meant those items cured his covid? They TREATED it, for the symptoms--fever, headache, and the congestion. That is all. His own immune system and youthful resilience did the rest.

I hope that gout medicine, probenicid, proves efficacious in actually treating and preventing the covid disease. It worked not only in vitro, but in vivo.

 

[CrowCross]

Thank you. It says I pay $90 and a physician will get back to me in 2-7 days...would I get my money back if I am all better by the time a doctor gets back to me?

I was thinking the same thing.

It would be nice if church's set up ivermectin banks...similiar to a food bank.

 

[Bonnie]

I was thinking the same thing.

It would be nice if church's set up ivermectin banks...similiar to a food bank.

Nonsense. Churches are not doctors and only doctors can write Rx's for ivermectin.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

1 out of 1,000 killed by the jab between teen and age 60. Healthy before the clot shot.

 

[Bonnie]

1 out of 1,000 killed by the jab between teen and age 60. Healthy before the clot shot.

Prove it. From reputable sources. Instead, I found this:

Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine?

And

The COVID-19 “Vaccine Holocaust”: The latest antivaccine messaging

The latest antivaccine disinformation consists of pointing to the large numbers of reports of death (and other adverse events) to the VAERS database. It's nonsense.

sciencebasedmedicine.org

 

[glenlogie]

Prove it. From reputable sources. Instead, I found this:

Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine?

And

The COVID-19 “Vaccine Holocaust”: The latest antivaccine messaging

The latest antivaccine disinformation consists of pointing to the large numbers of reports of death (and other adverse events) to the VAERS database. It's nonsense.

sciencebasedmedicine.org

Notice the difference in thought amoung the pro vaxxers.

1. Any death from covid is horrible, so everything is permissible to stop covid.

2. If a person dies from the vaccine, that is only collateral damage of the greater good.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Nonsense. Churches are not doctors and only doctors can write Rx's for ivermectin.

Our church has 2 family practice docs in our free clinic. You don't understand the pharmacology.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

The 1918 incident is based upon estimates.

No one can possibly believe that they had accurate information on 1918. If they did, then you need to deny climate science because they reject and significantly alter data from that time period due to the fact they do not believe the data is accurate.

Climate data Mannipulation is motivated by fear mongers also.

72 hours after the ClimateGate leaks, I had busted the Fortran Code and identified how they adjusted 1930's temps down ward to create a hockey stick and remove earlier high temp records.

Mcintyre at Climate Audit posted the Fortran computer code. I used Fortran for doing my own computer scientific modeling.

 

[Backup]

1 out of 1,000 killed by the jab between teen and age 60. Healthy before the clot shot.

Wow. Over 200,000 people killed by getting the vaccine in America.

Everybody in the world must be part of the conspiracy to hide that “fact.”

 

[Bonnie]

The 1918 incident is based upon estimates.

Yes, it is, but good estimates. The death toll may very well have been higher.

No one can possibly believe that they had accurate information on 1918. If they did, then you need to deny climate science because they reject and significantly alter data from that time period due to the fact they do not believe the data is accurate.

Climate is off topic.

I have read two books on the 1918 flu pandemic, and both estimated the death toll in this country at around 675,000. The death toll globally is harder to estimate, but much of what I read says it was estimated to have been 50 million, but may very well have been higher.

But of course, now we have better ways of keeping track of diseases and deaths from certain diseases....and now the death toll in this country has nearly reached that of the 1918 flu pandemic. Shameful.

 

[Reformedguy]

Please show me where EVERYONE in this country is being forced to be vaccinated.

I would say get the shot or lose your job is kind of being forced. At best it's coercion. You don't work you don't eat unless your a moocher leftist

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Notice the difference in thought amoung the pro vaxxers.

1. Any death from covid is horrible, so everything is permissible to stop covid.

2. If a person dies from the vaccine, that is only collateral damage of the greater good.

Headlines on a vaxx skeptic death. Censorship on Toxxine adverse reaction death.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

You still have not shown that EVERYONE in this country MUST BE VACCINATED AGAINST COVID--OR ELSE.

But most schools require that children be vaccinated against certain diseases, like measles and meningitis, or they cannot attend schools....I know I had to have certain vaccines before I could attend school, back in the 50's and 60's....so, is that an "arbitrary mandate" as well?

More all CAPs shouting

If you had 8% of my education and credentials, you would know the Clot Shot is not a vaccine. We are not impressed with left wingers repeating their talking points. It is not a vaccine.

Why don't you know?

Why?

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

I would say get the shot or lose your job is kind of being forced. At best it's coercion. You don't work you don't eat unless your a moocher leftist

That is a threat.