Guess what today (Oct. 31, 2022) is, and it's not halloween...

------------- Luther; the Merchant Man------------
foretold by Christ
Matt.13:45​
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man,​
seeking goodly pearls:​
46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price,​
went and sold all that he had, and bought it.​

one pearl of great price
The just shall live by Faith

now comes the next Parable
----- The Reformation -----
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net,​
that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:​
​

Thank God for Martin Luther
 
Mysterium Fidei said:
It's Vigil of All Saints Day, All Hallow's Eve.

But, I'm sure Bergoglio is celebrating Reformation Day!
Click to expand...

from faithful, knowledgeable, Church-loving, Catholic Author Peter Kreeft
quote
"How do I resolve the Reformation?
Is it faith alone that justifies, or is it faith and works?
Very simple. No tricks.
On this issue I believe Luther was simply right; and this issue is absolutely crucial.
As a Catholic I feel guilt for the tragedy of Christian disunity because the church in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries was failing to preach the gospel.
Whatever theological mistakes Luther made, whatever indispensable truths about the Church he denied, here is an indispensable truth he affirmed — indispensable to union between all sinners and God and union between God’s separated Catholic and Protestant children."
end quote

Pope Benedict XVI
“Luther’s expression sola fide is true
if faith is not opposed to charity, to love” (Wednesday Audience, Nov. 19, 2008).

Sola Fide is NOT opposed to charity, to love
THEREFORE sola fide is true

Pope Francis
Nowadays, Lutherans and Catholics, and all Protestants, are in agreement on the doctrine of justification: on this very important point he (Luther) was not mistaken.

Jimmy Akin
that Catholics can also accept the formula of justification sola fide (by faith alone), provided this phrase is properly understood.
Thus the position being condemned is the idea that we are justified by intellectual assent alone (as per James 2).
if the term faith is being used to refer to faith formed by charity then the Catholic accepts the idea of justification by faith alone.
 
Last edited:
Yes, Peter Kreeft is a Novus Ordo "theologian" too. The Novus Ordo religion has given up on the dogma of justification as stated in the Council of Trent and have adopted Luther's teaching which was solemnly and infallibly condemned as heretical by the Catholic Church.

"If anyone should say that the grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ, conferred in baptism, does not remit the guilt of original sin, or affirm that whatever and properly belongs to the character of sin is not removed, but is only cancelled or not imputed: let him be anathema." (Council of Trent, Session V, canon 5).

If anyone should say that men are justified merely by the imputation of the justice of Christ, or by the sole remission of sins, exclusive of the grace and charity that the Holy Ghost infuses in their hearts in a permanent way, or that the grace by which we are justified is a mere favor of God: let him be anathema." (Council of Trent, Session VI, canon 7).

“If anyone should say that faith alone justifies the sinner, meaning thereby that nothing else is required from him than to cooperate with the grace of justification, and that it is in no way necessary for him to prepare himself therefor or to make any act of the will: let him be anathema.” (Council of Trent, Session VI, canon 9)

“If anyone should say that the good works of a just man are so entirely the gift of God that they are not also meritorious for this just man…let him be anathema.” (Council of Trent, Session VI, can. 31)

The Church is insistent that man, under the influence of grace, cooperate in his own justification. As Saint Augustine put it, “Christ effects salvation in the impious, but not without the impious…He who has made you without your help will not justify you without your cooperation.”

Vatican II implicitly denied the Catholic dogma of justification with its new ecclesiology in which Protestant sects became "particular churches" and of themselves became a "means of salvation. "

The dogma was more explicitly denied when on October 31, 1999, representatives of various Lutheran bodies and the Vatican signed a Joint Declaration on justification, which essentially accepted Luther's heretical doctrine and rejected the Council of Trent.

Jimmy Akin is a Novus Ordo apologist.

Bergoglio has on multiple occasions said that Luther "was right" on the matter of Justification.
 
RiJoRi said:
And to think – all Luther wanted to do was to hold a debate!
Click to expand...
Right? Another missed opportunity of the Roman Catholic church.
RiJoRi said:
Rhetorical question: Has anyone here read the 95 Theses? (I have, but it was some time ago.)

--Rich
Click to expand...
I have read most of it, mostly one sentence talking points. I understand there's also a writing from Luther that explains, point by point, his 95 thesis in paragraphical form. I will be pursuing that as time allows.
 
1Thess521 said:
from faithful, knowledgeable, Church-loving, Catholic Author Peter Kreeft
quote
"How do I resolve the Reformation?
Is it faith alone that justifies, or is it faith and works?
Very simple. No tricks.
On this issue I believe Luther was simply right; and this issue is absolutely crucial.
As a Catholic I feel guilt for the tragedy of Christian disunity because the church in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries was failing to preach the gospel.
Whatever theological mistakes Luther made, whatever indispensable truths about the Church he denied, here is an indispensable truth he affirmed — indispensable to union between all sinners and God and union between God’s separated Catholic and Protestant children."
end quote

Pope Benedict XVI
“Luther’s expression sola fide is true
if faith is not opposed to charity, to love” (Wednesday Audience, Nov. 19, 2008).

Sola Fide is NOT opposed to charity, to love
THEREFORE sola fide is true

Pope Francis
Nowadays, Lutherans and Catholics, and all Protestants, are in agreement on the doctrine of justification: on this very important point he (Luther) was not mistaken.

Jimmy Akin
that Catholics can also accept the formula of justification sola fide (by faith alone), provided this phrase is properly understood.
Thus the position being condemned is the idea that we are justified by intellectual assent alone (as per James 2).
if the term faith is being used to refer to faith formed by charity then the Catholic accepts the idea of justification by faith alone.
Click to expand...
Yes, Peter Kreeft is a Novus Ordo "theologian" too. The Novus Ordo religion has given up on the dogma of justification as stated in the Council of Trent and have adopted Luther's teaching which was solemnly and infallibly condemned as heretical by the Catholic Church.

"If anyone should say that the grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ, conferred in baptism, does not remit the guilt of original sin, or affirm that whatever and properly belongs to the character of sin is not removed, but is only cancelled or not imputed: let him be anathema." (Council of Trent, Session V, canon 5).

If anyone should say that men are justified merely by the imputation of the justice of Christ, or by the sole remission of sins, exclusive of the grace and charity that the Holy Ghost infuses in their hearts in a permanent way, or that the grace by which we are justified is a mere favor of God: let him be anathema." (Council of Trent, Session VI, canon 7).

“If anyone should say that faith alone justifies the sinner, meaning thereby that nothing else is required from him than to cooperate with the grace of justification, and that it is in no way necessary for him to prepare himself therefor or to make any act of the will: let him be anathema.” (Council of Trent, Session VI, canon 9)

“If anyone should say that the good works of a just man are so entirely the gift of God that they are not also meritorious for this just man…let him be anathema.” (Council of Trent, Session VI, can. 31)

The Church is insistent that man, under the influence of grace, cooperate in his own justification. As Saint Augustine put it, “Christ effects salvation in the impious, but not without the impious…He who has made you without your help will not justify you without your cooperation.”

Vatican II implicitly denied the Catholic dogma of justification with its new ecclesiology in which Protestant sects became "particular churches" and of themselves became a "means of salvation. "

The dogma was more explicitly denied when on October 31, 1999, representatives of various Lutheran bodies and the Vatican signed a Joint Declaration on justification, which essentially accepted Luther's heretical doctrine and rejected the Council of Trent.

Jimmy Akin is a Novus Ordo apologist.

Bergoglio has on multiple occasions said that Luther "was right" on the matter of Justification.
 
Mysterium Fidei said:
Yes, Peter Kreeft is a Novus Ordo "theologian" too. The Novus Ordo religion has given up on the dogma of justification as stated in the Council of Trent and have adopted Luther's teaching which was solemnly and infallibly condemned as heretical by the Catholic Church.

"If anyone should say that the grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ, conferred in baptism, does not remit the guilt of original sin, or affirm that whatever and properly belongs to the character of sin is not removed, but is only cancelled or not imputed: let him be anathema." (Council of Trent, Session V, canon 5).

If anyone should say that men are justified merely by the imputation of the justice of Christ, or by the sole remission of sins, exclusive of the grace and charity that the Holy Ghost infuses in their hearts in a permanent way, or that the grace by which we are justified is a mere favor of God: let him be anathema." (Council of Trent, Session VI, canon 7).

“If anyone should say that faith alone justifies the sinner, meaning thereby that nothing else is required from him than to cooperate with the grace of justification, and that it is in no way necessary for him to prepare himself therefor or to make any act of the will: let him be anathema.” (Council of Trent, Session VI, canon 9)

“If anyone should say that the good works of a just man are so entirely the gift of God that they are not also meritorious for this just man…let him be anathema.” (Council of Trent, Session VI, can. 31)

The Church is insistent that man, under the influence of grace, cooperate in his own justification. As Saint Augustine put it, “Christ effects salvation in the impious, but not without the impious…He who has made you without your help will not justify you without your cooperation.”

Vatican II implicitly denied the Catholic dogma of justification with its new ecclesiology in which Protestant sects became "particular churches" and of themselves became a "means of salvation. "

The dogma was more explicitly denied when on October 31, 1999, representatives of various Lutheran bodies and the Vatican signed a Joint Declaration on justification, which essentially accepted Luther's heretical doctrine and rejected the Council of Trent.

Jimmy Akin is a Novus Ordo apologist.

Bergoglio has on multiple occasions said that Luther "was right" on the matter of Justification.
Click to expand...
In this case, Bergoglio is correct. :)
 
Arch Stanton said:
That had nothing to do with God!
Click to expand...
So you deny history. It had everything to do with God and everything to do with reforming the Roman Catholic church. But then you knew that and your only desire now is to deflect from the op because it is a direct assault on your religious belief system. The Roman Catholic church is personally responsible for the reformation.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top