H mom claim The only way to remove a fetus at 17 weeks is called "abortion."

[Authentic Nouveau]

The only way to remove a fetus at 17 weeks is called "abortion." This is the medical term for the removal of a fetus at any point in a pregnancy other than live birth (whether that birth is vaginal or by C-section).

God's way is one way. Natural child birth
If the baby dies naturally , way number two the mom starts having contractions and delivers stillborn;
Way number three, a D&C The D&C procedures under block or general anesthesia have been done many many years before Roe v Wade
Way number four is a C-Section. Laparotomy. Midline or Pfannenstiel incision (transverse incision above the rectus abdominas aka bikini incision)


The Ministry of Misinformation is on steroids in the abortuary industries.

Notice the offered contradiction. Only way and then 2 alternative ways.

Abortion is D&E The living baby is killed and extracted. D&C is legal because they OB doc is NOT killing the baby.

 

[Temujin]

God's way is one way. Natural child birth
If the baby dies naturally , way number two the mom starts having contractions and delivers stillborn;
Way number three, a D&C The D&C procedures under block or general anesthesia have been done many many years before Roe v Wade
Way number four is a C-Section. Laparotomy. Midline or Pfannenstiel incision (transverse incision above the rectus abdominas aka bikini incision)


The Ministry of Misinformation is on steroids in the abortuary industries.

Notice the offered contradiction. Only way and then 2 alternative ways.

Abortion is D&E The living baby is killed and extracted. D&C is legal because they OB doc is NOT killing the baby.

All of which, including natural miscarriage, are called abortion. If a moonshot is halted midway through countdown, it is aborted. The reason or mechanism is immaterial. You have plunged into the detail with no knowledge of the general principles. As always.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

I got a big laugh from the wails jailer. He said I had never been in an operating room theater. Funny; people working in surgery never call it a theater. I have heard it called that on teevee. The expression is so 1840's. Before the era of sterile technique I suspect a bunch of male students crowed in to watch the case. Also before anesthesia, restraining a wounded patient which was in pain screaming was theatrical?

Backwater and backward medicine may have a different set of buzzwords.

 

[Diogenes]

I got a big laugh from the wails jailer. He said I had never been in an operating room theater. Funny; people working in surgery never call it a theater. I have heard it called that on teevee. The expression is so 1840's. Before the era of sterile technique I suspect a bunch of male students crowed in to watch the case. Also before anesthesia, restraining a wounded patient which was in pain screaming was theatrical?

Backwater and backward medicine may have a different set of buzzwords.

From https://cavuhb.nhs.wales/news/home-...work-across-anaesthesia-and-cataract-surgery/

The COVID-19 pandemic has created even more environmental challenges, and Dr Fiona Brennan and Mr Dan Morris have been working with the Accelerate team to design a concept for a sustainable modular twin operating theatre in the hope that this may ease the burden both on the waiting list and the environment in the future.

I suppose you're also a noted linguist so you should be aware of British variants.

 

[Temujin]

I got a big laugh from the wails jailer. He said I had never been in an operating room theater. Funny; people working in surgery never call it a theater. I have heard it called that on teevee. The expression is so 1840's. Before the era of sterile technique I suspect a bunch of male students crowed in to watch the case. Also before anesthesia, restraining a wounded patient which was in pain screaming was theatrical?

Backwater and backward medicine may have a different set of buzzwords.

And yet as any modern surgeon, outside the USA would tell you, is that theatre is the term used now. But only real surgeons would know that.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

God's way is one way. Natural child birth
If the baby dies naturally , way number two the mom starts having contractions and delivers stillborn;
Way number three, a D&C The D&C procedures under block or general anesthesia have been done many many years before Roe v Wade
Way number four is a C-Section. Laparotomy. Midline or Pfannenstiel incision (transverse incision above the rectus abdominas aka bikini incision)


The Ministry of Misinformation is on steroids in the abortuary industries.

Notice the offered contradiction. Only way and then 2 alternative ways.

Abortion is D&E The living baby is killed and extracted. D&C is legal because they OB doc is NOT killing the baby.

Look how much pro-deathers need to resort to slander and insults when they get confronted with medical truth. like the wails jailer trollower

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

2 of the ways it is so easy to show how the pro-abortion clubs don't know their stuff.

They do not have a clue how an abortion kills a baby is not a miscarriage where a baby has a natural death.


They insist an abortion is same as D&C.

Dishonest and ignorant apologetics.

So they get angry and slander.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

For the pro-abortion trolls. The Board Certified Docs have been doing D&C procedures from before Roe v Wade .

From before the internet was invented. Of course docs study medicine and and waste no time "google-up-wickie" like you do to try to peddle your failed talking points..

The intent of an abortion is to Kill the baby and extract the dead baby.

There are many reasons D&C's are done but never to kill a baby.

Dilation and curettage although very few say dilatation.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

My sources are American Board Certified OB The Koolaid kults are restricted to Google up political talking points.
Any pro-deather who lies about my credentials or sources is self discrediting.

 

[Temujin]

My sources are American Board Certified OB The Koolaid kults are restricted to Google up political talking points.
Any pro-deather who lies about my credentials or sources is self discrediting.

Your sources are liars. Your credentials are false. Your credibility is nil.

 

[Harry Leggs]

Induced abortions have been carried out for centuries,

By humans? They really did not have the technology unless you mean throwing her down the stairs or beating her belly with a bat. Normally they waited until birth to kill the infant. Totally natural and totally compatible with Godlessness.

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The purpose of an abortion is to terminate the pregnancy.

Murder of the unborn is totally compatible with Godlessness.

Any occurrence that terminates a pregnancy prematurely, natural or induced is an abortion.

To equalize human-caused with natural causation is brainless. One point of contention here is the morality of human-caused for birth control. Do the unborn have a right from God to life? If so then it explains why cultures are in decline. Godlessness equals decline and degeneration.

 

[Temujin]

By humans? They really did not have the technology unless you mean throwing her down the stairs or beating her belly with a bat. Normally they waited until birth to kill the infant. Totally natural and totally compatible with Godlessness.of course by humans.

One of the most common reasons for denouncing herbalists as witches was their knowledge of natural abortificants. You also underestimate the ability of ancient people to carry out surgery.

Murder of the unborn is totally compatible with Godlessness.

To equalize human-caused with natural causation is brainless. One point of contention here is the morality of human-caused for birth control. Do the unborn have a right from God to life? If so then it explains why cultures are in decline. Godlessness equals decline and degeneration.

None of this speculation is relevant to the definition of abortion.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS​

4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS​

8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

These numbers do not include as many millions of babies exterminated by the Abortion crusades. Brutal.

Full size abortions. Called 4th term abortions.

 

[Temujin]

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS​

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS​

These numbers do not include as many millions of babies exterminated by the Abortion crusades. Brutal.

Full size abortions. Called 4th term abortions.

More ignorant dishonesty from the arch-fantasist.

 

[Harry Leggs]

One of the most common reasons for denouncing herbalists as witches was their knowledge of natural abortificants.

That means poison. The reasons probably had more to do with damage to pregnant females.

This is, incidentally, about a thousand years after the Sumerians invented glue” (x–xi). But notice what you are doing here: the Sumerians invented glue? Glue didn’t just happen? Why couldn’t it just appear the way the sexuality of moss, and the eyeballs that see in color, and the superbly engineered ankle, and the majesty of the great white sharks all did? Glue is so complicated that it needed to be invented?

Wilson, Douglas. Letter from a Christian Citizen: A Response to Sam Harris’s Letter to a Christian Nation (p. 9). Douglas Wilson. Kindle Edition.

You also underestimate the ability of ancient people to carry out surgery.

Opinion.

None of this speculation is relevant to the definition of abortion.

The effects and intent are the same. Death. Sins of omission.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

More ignorant dishonesty from the arch-fantasist.

So your intellectual lethargy resorts to slander.
I am still waiting for reports of in utero rotting babies.

 

[Temujin]

That means poison. The reasons probably had more to do with damage to pregnant females.

This is, incidentally, about a thousand years after the Sumerians invented glue” (x–xi). But notice what you are doing here: the Sumerians invented glue? Glue didn’t just happen? Why couldn’t it just appear the way the sexuality of moss, and the eyeballs that see in color, and the superbly engineered ankle, and the majesty of the great white sharks all did? Glue is so complicated that it needed to be invented?

Wilson, Douglas. Letter from a Christian Citizen: A Response to Sam Harris’s Letter to a Christian Nation (p. 9). Douglas Wilson. Kindle Edition.

Opinion.

The effects and intent are the same. Death. Sins of omission.

I have no idea what you use for glue, but the glue I use doesn't replicate, have DNA or evolve. Your ignorance of both abortion and evolution is utterly astounding. You should sue your teachers, especially if you were home schooled. The state you have been left in, your education was tantamount to abuse.

 

[Temujin]

So your intellectual lethargy resorts to slander.
I am still waiting for reports of in utero rotting babies.

I have given it to you several times already. Try googling "Abortion death Ireland." You won't get reports of any "babies" being "murdered" but the true story of a woman killed by Christian bigotry and ignorance such as yours, this time shockingly, in the minds of real doctors.

 

[Harry Leggs]

I have no idea what you use for glue, but the glue I use doesn't replicate, have DNA or evolve.

Never wrote it did and the voices in your head have nothing to do with me.

Your ignorance of both abortion and evolution is utterly astounding.

How so?

You should sue your teachers, especially if you were home schooled. The state you have been left in, your education was tantamount to abuse.

Stop with the invective which ignores the message here. The message being seculars control education and the results are failure. For example.

Average College freshman reads at 7th Grade level - World leading higher education information and services

In the old days, getting into college was a big deal—you had to be a good student, have some solid extracurricular activities and generally pass an entrance exam as well as demonstrate you can write a decent “Why I Want To Go To College” essay. When the Federal government decided to back student...

world.edu

The average college freshman in America reads at a 7th grade level


While this is old news, it’s queer how nobody has done the math here. A student coming into college at the 7th grade level, will, assuming he theoretically graduates in 4 years, will be at the 11th level…still not a (theoretical) high school graduate.


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There are two parts to the answer. The first part of the answer is “most don’t…” We talk quite a bit about how expensive a college degree is, but students are charged the same tuition whether they get a degree or not. Only about half of college students get a degree in 5 years…you can bet it’s the half that reads at better than the 7th grade level. We never seem to talk about all the dropouts, even though they represent a large percent of our citizens with unpayable debt.


The second part of the answer is “…and many get bogus degrees.” This is the part that we read about, all the students getting their utterly worthless degrees in Gender, Sexuality, Diversity, and a host of other fields that, bottom line, won’t generate revenue enough to pay off the student debt. We read about this often in the news, but do realize for every “college graduate with worthless degree and student loan debt” horror story, there’s another “college dropout with nothing and a massive student loan debt” who never makes the news.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Never wrote it did and the voices in your head have nothing to do with me.

How so?

Stop with the invective which ignores the message here. The message being seculars control education and the results are failure. For example.

Average College freshman reads at 7th Grade level - World leading higher education information and services

In the old days, getting into college was a big deal—you had to be a good student, have some solid extracurricular activities and generally pass an entrance exam as well as demonstrate you can write a decent “Why I Want To Go To College” essay. When the Federal government decided to back student...

world.edu

The average college freshman in America reads at a 7th grade level


While this is old news, it’s queer how nobody has done the math here. A student coming into college at the 7th grade level, will, assuming he theoretically graduates in 4 years, will be at the 11th level…still not a (theoretical) high school graduate.


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My wife was gifted facilitator and at a top Magnet School. Our son started H.S and left to attend university a few months into his H.S. Freshman year. Was teaching University math when he was 21. His department gave math exams and charged tuition for catch up math. He complained kids just were not prepared for college level intro math. The Gifted middle school math was better than most kids in H.S. could pass.
This school lockdown is setting averages kids back several years and will boost drop out rates. The top students are as brilliant as ever. The rest are deplorable.