H mom claim The only way to remove a fetus at 17 weeks is called "abortion."

[Temujin]

Gee, that poster jumping into a conversation without regard for the context, and making a fool of himself? Nah, can't be. Not him.

I swear he runs around, looking for posts by one of the people he's obsessed with and then, without even looking at the conversation, just posts a negation of whatever they said.

That would be my guess also. There is also the supposedly devastating argument, that he lost several months ago without realising it, that appears in every thread, at least every third post, impervious to relevance. I have a sort of semi-permeable ignore feature, in that I have to make an extra effort to read what he says. Most of the time it isn't worth it.

 

[BMS]

That would be my guess also. There is also the supposedly devastating argument, that he lost several months ago without realising it, that appears in every thread, at least every third post, impervious to relevance. I have a sort of semi-permeable ignore feature, in that I have to make an extra effort to read what he says. Most of the time it isn't worth it.

Since you guys cant define a woman, not just to me but to others, it is not unreasonable to be challenged on it everytime you use the word.
Indeed, I pointed out it must result in a breakdown in communication way before you guys put me on ignore,.

You made your bed now lie in it.

 

[Temujin]

Since you guys cant define a woman, not just to me but to others, it is not unreasonable to be challenged on it everytime you use the word.
Indeed, I pointed out it must result in a breakdown in communication way before you guys put me on ignore,.

You made your bed now lie in it.

Right on cue...

 

[BMS]

Right on cue...

And ? You made your bed, now lie in it

 

[Temujin]

And ? You made your bed, now lie in it

You have discovered meaningless platitudes. Now keep repeating them.

 

[BMS]

You have discovered meaningless platitudes. Now keep repeating them.

We need to agree what a woman is as opposed to a man, otherwise you cant debate. The thread is about abortion so its relevant
Not bothered what you feel.

 

[Temujin]

We need to agree what a woman is as opposed to a man, otherwise you cant debate. The thread is about abortion so its relevant
Not bothered what you feel.

Nonsense. For the topic of abortion all we need to consider is that there is a pregnant person. The gender of that person is irrelevant. They can identify as male female or neither. What matters is that they are pregnant and want an abortion. Their rights to access to abortion are not affected in the slightest by their declared gender. Your obsession with sex is running away with you again.

If you really want to agree a definition, then dictionaries are normally a good place to start, but as you think that dictionaries are written by liars, that won't work.

 

[BMS]

Nonsense. For the topic of abortion all we need to consider is that there is a pregnant person. The gender of that person is irrelevant. They can identify as male female or neither. What matters is that they are pregnant and want an abortion. Their rights to access to abortion are not affected in the slightest by their declared gender. Your obsession with sex is running away with you again.

If you really want to agree a definition, then dictionaries are normally a good place to start, but as you think that dictionaries are written by liars, that won't work.

Your reply doesnt make sense. It is a biological woman that can be pregnant and abort, a biological man cant. So we question why you dont specify woman but rather say pregnant person.
Now in your respose you mention gender and declared gender, which further begs the question, what exactly are you thinking and talking about

 

[Temujin]

Your reply doesnt make sense. It is a biological woman that can be pregnant and abort, a biological man cant. So we question why you dont specify woman but rather say pregnant person.
Now in your respose you mention gender and declared gender, which further begs the question, what exactly are you thinking and talking about

IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THE ABORTION DEBATE What part of this are you not grasping? Your hobby horse is irrelevant. The gender of the pregnant person is as irrelevant as their race or eye colour. I am quite content to use the term "woman" when discussing abortion, because the actual gender doesn't matter. It is your obsession with transgender issues which is do laughable, and nonsensical. It simply doesn't apply here.

 

[BMS]

IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THE ABORTION DEBATE What part of this are you not grasping? Your hobby horse is irrelevant. The gender of the pregnant person is as irrelevant as their race or eye colour. I am quite content to use the term "woman" when discussing abortion, because the actual gender doesn't matter. It is your obsession with transgender issues which is do laughable, and nonsensical. It simply doesn't apply here.

IT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE.
You dont get to use your hobbyhorse and obsession to silence debate. I notice you put me on ignore until you could not resist replying on a post about your pet topic.
Only a biological woman can have an abortion because only a biological woman can get pregnant. So if you want to debate abortion, you need to specify woman rather than 'pregnant person' which implies the gender, gender identity and transgender confusion you keep referring to in your replies. We need to clarify what you nean by 'woman'

 

[Temujin]

IT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE.
You dont get to use your hobbyhorse and obsession to silence debate. I notice you put me on ignore until you could not resist replying on a post about your pet topic.
Only a biological woman can have an abortion because only a biological woman can get pregnant. So if you want to debate abortion, you need to specify woman rather than 'pregnant person' which implies the gender, gender identity and transgender confusion you keep referring to in your replies. We need to clarify what you nean by 'woman'

Why? In what way does my answer to the question "What do you nean(sic) by woman?" have any bearing on whether a pregnant person should have access to an abortion? Are you suggesting that a pregnant trans man should be denied an abortion on the grounds that they don't exist? Are you suggesting that only trans people should be allowed abortions do as to remove that tendency from the gene pool? You keep saying that it makes a difference, but you cannot say why it makes a difference. Let's try to be completely specific. Please complete the following sentence :
"Access to an abortion will be different for a pregnant person who identifies as trans, despite bring a biological woman, because..."

 

[BMS]

Why? In what way does my answer to the question "What do you nean(sic) by woman?" have any bearing on whether a pregnant person should have access to an abortion? Are you suggesting that a pregnant trans man should be denied an abortion on the grounds that they don't exist? Are you suggesting that only trans people should be allowed abortions do as to remove that tendency from the gene pool? You keep saying that it makes a difference, but you cannot say why it makes a difference. Let's try to be completely specific.

It makes all the difference to the debate, your question is at odds with the debate, and it pushes back on woke ideology and bully boy tactics.
But let us be specific, Since only a woman can get pregnant, and only a woman can therefore have an abortion, say woman and not 'pregnant person' which is woke 'inclusive' gender non conforming language, and gobbledegook.

 

[Temujin]

It makes all the difference to the debate, your question is at odds with the debate, and it pushes back on woke ideology and bully boy tactics.
But let us be specific, Since only a woman can get pregnant, and only a woman can therefore have an abortion, say woman and not 'pregnant person' which is woke 'inclusive' gender non conforming language, and gobbledegook.

Since the only posts I have said pregnant person rather than woman are those to you showing that the identification of the pregnant person makes no difference. I invite you again to complete the sentence: "Access to an abortion will be different for a pregnant person who identifies as trans, despite bring a biological woman, because..."

I suspect that you are incapable of doing so. You are trying to squirm away from doing so by what is known as ad hominem abuse. In which case, don't bother posting on a debating forum if all you want to do is make personal remarks.

 

[BMS]

Since the only posts I have said pregnant person rather than woman are those to you showing that the identification of the pregnant person makes no difference.

The woman you mean?

I invite you again to complete the sentence: "Access to an abortion will be different for a pregnant person who identifies as trans, despite bring a biological woman, because..."

I cant complete a sentence that makes no sense. What do you mean by a woman identifying as trans?
I suspect that you are incapable of answering this and you will try and squirm away from doing so.

 

[Temujin]

The woman you mean?

I cant complete a sentence that makes no sense. What do you mean by a woman identifying as trans?
I suspect that you are incapable of answering this and you will try and squirm away from doing so.

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

lmgtfy.app

 

[BMS]

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

lmgtfy.app

So you are incapable of answering it and you have tried to squirm away from doing so.

I asked you to clarify what you meant by your question. That is perfectly reasonable.
Let us analyse your question

Access to an abortion will be different for a pregnant person

Here is the first problem. A pregnant person can only be a woman.

who identifies

Has no relevance to her being a woman

who identifies as trans,

She is a woman, what do you mean by trans? What is the 'trans' that she is identifying as? Describe it

despite bring a biological woman

So a woman then and not a pregnant person because its a woman. Pregnant person implies its not just women, because a man is a person as well.

 

[Temujin]

So you are incapable of answering it and you have tried to squirm away from doing so.

I asked you to clarify what you meant by your question. That is perfectly reasonable.
Let us analyse your question
Here is the first problem. A pregnant person can only be a woman.
Has no relevance to her being a woman
She is a woman, what do you mean by trans? What is the 'trans' that she is identifying as? Describe it
So a woman then and not a pregnant person because its a woman. Pregnant person implies its not just women, because a man is a person as well.

You are waffling. Your bankruptcy is exposed. Thanks for the fun.

 

[BMS]

You are waffling. Your bankruptcy is exposed. Thanks for the fun.

These are perfectly straightforward and simple questions. I am asking you to clarify the words you wrote, and you refuse to

 

[Temujin]

These are perfectly straightforward and simple questions. I am asking you to clarify the words you wrote, and you refuse to

You have asked one question, "What is a trans woman?". I have given you the answer. You don't accept the answer given, but that is your problem, not mine.

 

[BMS]

You have asked one question, "What is a trans woman?". I have given you the answer. You don't accept the answer given, but that is your problem, not mine.

No I didnt ask that. I asked since .. she is a woman what is the 'trans' she is identifying as. So you are right I dont accept the answer given because it isnt an answer to the question asked.
Look back on the last few pages. I challenged you on 'pregnant person' rather than woman because by biological sex only a woman can be pregnant. You then mentioned gender and trans not me.
You end up asking me about a trans woman.
Isnt a transwoman a man? So are you saying a pregnant person can be a man?
That is why you get challenged everytime you cant avknowledge biological sex