Has anyone here who critiques Nietzsche ever read him?

Ficciones

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Here's Nietzsche on the Bible:

Différence engendre haine (difference engenders hatred): the baseness of some people suddenly spurts up like dirty water when some holy vessel, some precious thing from a locked shrine, some book with the marks of a great destiny, is carried past; and on the other hand there is a reflex of silence, a hesitation of the eye, a cessation of all gestures that express how a soul feels the proximity of the most venerable. The way in which reverence for the Bible has on the whole been maintained so far in Europe is perhaps the best bit of discipline and refinement of manners that Europe owes to Christianity: such books of profundity and ultimate significance require some external tyranny of authority for their protection in order to gain those millennia of persistence which are necessary to exhaust them and figure them out.

Much is gained once the feeling has finally been cultivated in the masses (among the shallow and in the high-speed intestines of every kind) that they are not to touch everything; that there are holy experiences before which they have to take off their shoes and keep away their unclean hands—this is almost their greatest advance toward humanity. Conversely, perhaps there is nothing about so-called educated people and believers in “modern ideas” that is as nauseous as their lack of modesty and the comfortable insolence of their eyes and hands with which they touch, lick, and finger everything; and it is possible that even among the common people, among the less educated, especially among peasants, one finds today more relative nobility of taste and tactful reverence than among the newspaper-reading demi-monde of the spirit, the educated.

Excerpt From: Friedrich Nietzsche. “Basic Writings of Nietzsche.”
 

Authentic Nouveau

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Besides myself, how many on this board read or speak German?

By the way, how does hardline materialism explain Nietzsche being possessed by demons?
 

Ficciones

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Besides myself, how many on this board read or speak German?

Is this more to your liking?

Différence engendre haine: die Gemeinheit mancher Natur sprützt plötzlich wie schmutziges Wasser hervor, wenn irgend ein heiliges Gefäss, irgend eine Kostbarkeit aus verschlossenen Schreinen, irgend ein Buch mit den Zeichen des grossen Schicksals vorübergetragen wird; und andrerseits giebt es ein unwillkürliches Verstummen, ein Zögern des Auges, ein Stillewerden aller Gebärden, woran sich ausspricht, dass eine Seele die Nähe des Verehrungswürdigsten fühlt. Die Art, mit der im Ganzen bisher die Ehrfurcht vor der Bibel in Europa aufrecht erhalten wird, ist vielleicht das beste Stück Zucht und Verfeinerung der Sitte, das Europa dem Christenthume verdankt: solche Bücher der Tiefe und der letzten Bedeutsamkeit brauchen zu ihrem Schutz eine von Aussen kommende Tyrannei von Autorität, um jene Jahrtausende von Dauer zu gewinnen, welche nöthig sind, sie auszuschöpfen und auszurathen. Es ist Viel erreicht, wenn der grossen Menge (den Flachen und Geschwind-Därmen aller Art) jenes Gefühl endlich angezüchtet ist, dass sie nicht an Alles rühren dürfe; dass es heilige Erlebnisse giebt, vor denen sie die Schuhe auszuziehn und die unsaubere Hand fern zu halten hat, - es ist beinahe ihre höchste Steigerung zur Menschlichkeit. Umgekehrt wirkt an den sogenannten Gebildeten, den Gläubigen der "modernen Ideen", vielleicht Nichts so ekelerregend, als ihr Mangel an Scham, ihre bequeme Frechheit des Auges und der Hand, mit der von ihnen an Alles gerührt, geleckt, getastet wird; und es ist möglich, dass sich heut im Volke, im niedern Volke, namentlich unter Bauern, immer noch mehr relative Vornehmheit des Geschmacks und Takt der Ehrfurcht vorfindet, als bei der zeitunglesenden Halbwelt des Geistes, den Gebildeten.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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Interesting how Nietzsche had strange powers over atheist movement.

While he was demon possessed.

Psychiatrist Stanislav Grof, pioneer researcher into LSD and altered states, reports that some of the LSD subjects he has studied have had encounters with "astral bodies," and in some cases this has led to "the characteristics of spirit possession."Friedrich Nietzsche indicated that the inspiration for Thus Spake Zarathustra came as a form of possession. “It invaded me. One can hardly reject completely the idea that one is the mere incarnation, or mouthpiece, or medium of some almighty power. " It takes little thought to realize which “almighty power” inspired this great inspirer of Hitler.


The last decade of his life the demons made him unable to cope and function. He went insane.

Exorcism works. So do some psychotropic drugs. Some therapies.
 

Ficciones

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Can you prove something can come from nothing uncaused?

Can something come from nothing - with a cause? Is the cause itself something, or is the cause nothing? If the cause is nothing, then aren't you saying that something can come from nothing? Otherwise, isn't the cause - something?
 

Ficciones

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Christians claim God to be uncaused and not to have come from anything.

If reality, for the Christian, has its root in something uncaused, that didn't come from anything, that therefore could not be the result of will, agency, planning, creation - then why speak of God at all?
 

e v e

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Interesting how Nietzsche had strange powers over atheist movement.

While he was demon possessed.




The last decade of his life the demons made him unable to cope and function. He went insane.

Exorcism works. So do some psychotropic drugs. Some therapies.
actually no to all this about his bio.
 

e v e

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The last 11 years of his life he lived in total insanity His mom cared for him.
he had a breakdown, being unable to cope with his own philosophy, essentially rooted in the pantheon gods, and having taken too much laudanum, and having lifetime physical pain he attempted to suppress.
 
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