Has the Church Replaced Israel ?

[Our Lord's God]

Actually, he did nothing for Israel.

Yes, He did nothing for pretenders.

He did this for his true people, true Israel, the remnant of circumcised hearts.

For though your people, Israel, may be like the sand of the sea,
Only a remnant within them will return;
A destruction is determined, overflowing with righteousness.

 

[Jewjitzu]

Yes, He did nothing for pretenders.

He did this for his true people, true Israel, the remnant of circumcised hearts.

For though your people, Israel, may be like the sand of the sea,
Only a remnant within them will return;
A destruction is determined, overflowing with righteousness.

Israel is his true people.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Israel is his true people.

Sorry but your own Scriptures tell you His people are the remnant, those of circumcised hearts.

 

[Jewjitzu]

Sorry but your own Scriptures tell you His people are the remnant, those of circumcised hearts.

Yes, a remnant still remains of His people Israel. The Church though is not part of it.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Yes, a remnant still remains of His people Israel. The Church though is not part of it.

You don't get to choose. God does.

 

[Jewjitzu]

You don't get to choose. God does.

Yep, he sure did. Isaiah 56:1-8.
Jeremiah 31:31-34, with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which excludes the Church.

Of course, you could join. All can.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Yep, he sure did. Isaiah 56:1-8.
Jeremiah 31:31-34, with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which excludes the Church.

Of course, you could join. All can.

Again, you don't get to choose who this is.

 

[Jewjitzu]

Again, you don't get to choose who this is.

He already did. The houses are very specific.

 

[Our Lord's God]

He already did. The houses are very specific.

How about the remnant. Specific?

 

[Jewjitzu]

How about the remnant. Specific?

Specifically keep the commandment of God.

 

[GeneZ]

Your god is a man then. God has no likeness to the physical. Isaiah 40:18,25;46:5, damah, the root for likeness, means nothing physical, blood dam, or man adam, is associated with Him. That includes man's nature.

Jeremiah 33:17-26 shows sacrifices return because God says so.

The problem with sacrifices is people used that as a license to sin. No different than what Christians do today with Jesus' blood. So, if you're still sinning your no better off than you think I am.

I am not going to argue. You just do not have the ability to see what was written correctly. You will keep imposing your biased view over anything I have to say.

I wish you heaven. In spite of your attitude.

In the mean time?

Where are you fulfilling the most important part of the Law? Without the Temple and priesthood and the altar, you can not atone for your sins according to the Law of Moses.

 

[GeneZ]

There are no promises to gentiles except the covenant given to Noah or if they join Israel, Isaiah 56:1-8 They need to choose, and so do you.

Yes, we are all intertwined, but Abraham followed God's commands as received, and taught his household likewise.

No promises to the gentiles?


I will sow her for Myself in the land.
I will also have compassion on her who had not obtained compassion,
And I will say to those who were not My people,
‘You are My people!’
And they will say, ‘You are my God!’” Hosea 2:23


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[Newbirth]

That's true, newbirth. Remember that next time you reply.

you will say it is ridiculous

In the ground, buried.

Bodies that are buried rot and return to dust...So you believe Abraham is dust in the ground...good for you

I asked the question.

Why I never said anything about suffering

I know he hates idolaters.

I didn't ask you that..

He hates all kinds of sins.

I didn't ask you that either...

I'm surprised you don't know the answer.

that question required a yes or no answer...apparently, you don't know the answer... that is why you keep on doing it

 

[SovereignGrace]

I don’t believe the church has replaced Israel, but is an extension of the true Israel. Jesus is the true Vine, and all believers, both Jews and Gentiles, are in this Vine. They(Jews) are the natural olive branches, we(Gentiles) are the wild olive vines. We were grafted in to this Vine.

 

[brightfame52]

Go back and read the Genesis accounts. Isaac was the seed of promise. And all of Israel is as well.

Yes Isaac was but not all the physical descendants Rom 9:6-8

 

[GeneZ]

Yes Isaac was but not all the physical descendants Rom 9:6-8

You think he's going to look that up?


Here...

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through
Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the children by physical descent
who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

 

[Jewjitzu]

No promises to the gentiles?


I will sow her for Myself in the land.
I will also have compassion on her who had not obtained compassion,
And I will say to those who were not My people,
‘You are My people!’
And they will say, ‘You are my God!’” Hosea 2:23


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If they join Israel as i said, then yes.

The context of Hosea 2:23 is Israel if you read Hosea 1 - Hosea 2:22.

Context is key.

 

[Jewjitzu]

Yes Isaac was but not all the physical descendants Rom 9:6-8

Like the stars in the sky....

 

[Jewjitzu]

you will say it is ridiculous

Bodies that are buried rot and return to dust...So you believe Abraham is dust in the ground...good for you

Why I never said anything about suffering

I didn't ask you that..

I didn't ask you that either...

that question required a yes or no answer...apparently, you don't know the answer... that is why you keep on doing it

So if Abraham's is buried and rotten, how can the NT depict him as speaking in hell with a body able to fetch water ?

We know where Abraham is buried.

 

[Jewjitzu]

You think he's going to look that up?


Here...

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through
Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the children by physical descent
who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

Like the stars in the sky... that's how many children of the promise there are.