He has perfected forever.....

[isaac]

You know the word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all—Acts 10:36

I answered but you're too concerned about what your freewill can accomplish.

So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. John 20:21-22
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things. 2 Peter 1:1-3

You quoted a scripture, but it would be nice if you gave your understanding of what that scripture means.

It means that God fulfilled His word based on faith.

Do you believe anyone can be saved by hearing and choosing to believe the gospel, or do you believe it's all God's doing: that He determines whom will be saved?

Again, it has already been addressed, God saves those who believe in the Son.
Coming to Him the Living stone. 1 Peter 2:4-6

Comments like this lead me to believe you think it's all God's doing, that only people who God pre-determined for salvation will be saved and that a person's choice has nothing to do with it.

Where ever your freewilledspirit leads you is not my problem, I have been clearly saying that believers are partakers through Christ Jesus.
Giving thanks to the Father who brought us to the kingdom of His Son; Col 1:12-15

Looks to me like you think God forces some people to be saved, but leaves the rest to die in their sin.

People die in their sins because they reject the Savior. John 8:24

What do you do with 1 Tim 2:4 and 2 Pet 3:9? Or Eze 33:11?

The same thing that I do with Acts 5:31
Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

 

[shroom]

It means that God fulfilled His word based on faith.

Again, it has already been addressed, God saves those who believe in the Son.
Coming to Him the Living stone. 1 Peter 2:4-6

Where ever your freewilledspirit leads you is not my problem, I have been clearly saying that believers are partakers through Christ Jesus.
Giving thanks to the Father who brought us to the kingdom of His Son; Col 1:12-15

People die in their sins because they reject the Savior. John 8:24

The same thing that I do with Acts 5:31
Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Your position is still not clear.

Does God enable some people to believe but not others?

It's a "yes" or "no" question.

 

[isaac]

You're still being obtuse.

Your lack of discernment is the result of your freewill trying to earn a free gift granted by faith.

Does God enable some people to believe but not others?

Unbelievers get the wages of their freewill.

It's a "yes" or "no" question.

There is nothing in common with believers and unbelievers.

 

[shroom]

Your lack of discernment is the result of your freewill trying to earn a free gift granted by faith.

Unbelievers get the wages of their freewill.

There is nothing in common with believers and unbelievers.

Your position is still not clear, but based on your continually presenting free will in a negative manner, I'm guessing you hold to Reformed Theology and the "doctrines of grace." IOW, you're a Calvinist.

But I'll try one more time:

Does God enable some people to believe but not others?

It's a "yes" or "no" question.

 

[isaac]

Your position is still not clear, but based on your continually presenting free will in a negative manner, I'm guessing you hold to Reformed Theology and the "doctrines of grace." IOW, you're a Calvinist.

I've never stepped into a Calvinist church. Like I said, I hear they like tulips.

But I'll try one more time:
Does God enable some people to believe but not others?

Again, God gives each a measure of faith,
But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift; When He ascended on high,...Eph 4:7

It's a "yes" or "no" question.

In your case whenever you stop pretending you can obtain the gift through the freewill of man.

 

[shroom]

I've never stepped into a Calvinist church. Like I said, I hear they like tulips.

They definitely do...

Again, God gives each a measure of faith,
But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift; When He ascended on high,...Eph 4:7

That's addressed to believers. Each believer has the faith to carry out their ministry.

In your case whenever you stop pretending you can obtain through the freewill of man.

You're again being vague, again making assertions about me personally, and again denigrating free will.

God, through Christ, made salvation available to anyone. It's up to each person to decide to believe the gospel, or not, and anyone has the capacity to believe (have faith).

 

[isaac]

That's addressed to believers. Each believer has the faith to carry out their ministry.

And they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Messiah. Acts 5:42 Acts 13:32-34

In your case whenever you stop pretending you can obtain the gift through the freewill of man.

You're again being vague, again making assertions about me personally, and again denigrating free will.

Cry me a river.
And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Acts 4:33

God, through Christ, made salvation available to anyone. It's up to each person to decide to believe the gospel, or not, and anyone has the capacity to believe (have faith).

Then have at it:
Christ became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey Him; Heb 5:9

 

[shroom]

And they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Messiah. Acts 5:42 Acts 13:32-34


Cry me a river.
And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Acts 4:33

Then have at it:
Christ became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey Him; Heb 5:9

I don't think I've ever chatted with anyone as vague as you are.

Later.

 

[isaac]

I don't think I've ever chatted with anyone as vague as you are.

Later.

I've chatted with many fence riders like you who pretend the freewill of man can crossover to life.

Anytime.

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Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God 1 John 5:1

 

[shroom]

I've chatted with many fence riders like you who pretend the freewill of man can crossover to life.

Man, once he hears the gospel, can, of his own free will, decide to believe it or reject it. That's not being a fence rider.

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Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God 1 John 5:1

The question is: is a man born of God before he believes, or when he believes? Eph 1:13

 

[isaac]

Man, once he hears the gospel, can, of his own free will, decide to believe it or reject it. That's not being a fence rider.

A fence rider is the one who can't pick a side. It does no good to boast about your freewill if you're in the valley of indecision.

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Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God 1 John 5:1

The question is: is a man born of God before he believes, or when he believes? Eph 1:13

Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. John 5:12

 

[shroom]

A fence rider is the one who can't pick a side. It does no good to boast about your freewill if you're in the valley of indecision.

That has nothing to do with the fact that a person must make a decision.

Also, I'm not boasting about free will.

Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. John 5:12

The question is: does a man have the Son before he believes, or when he believes? Eph 1:13

 

[isaac]

That has nothing to do with the fact that a person must make a decision.

It helps to know what team you're on.

Therefore, having obtained help from God, to this day I stand, witnessing...
that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles. Acts 26:22-23

The question is: does a man have the Son before he believes, or when he believes?

He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; 1 John 5:10-12

 

[shroom]

It helps to know what team you're on.

A person chooses what team they're on. A person chooses whether they want to believe the gospel. or not.

Me? I believe the gospel. I'm a Christian.

Therefore, having obtained help from God, to this day I stand, witnessing...
that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles. Acts 26:22-23

Great verse! Thankfully, God does help His believers.

 

[isaac]

A person chooses what team they're on. A person chooses whether they want to believe the gospel. or not.
Me? I believe the gospel. I'm a Christian.

Again, that doesn't always pan out. The Pharisees, who thought they were on the right team had a reality check. John 8:39:41
And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. John 8:35-37

Great verse! Thankfully, God does help His believers.

He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; 1 John 5:10-12

 

[shroom]

Again, that doesn't always pan out. The Pharisees, who thought they were on the right team had a reality check. John 8:39,41

The Pharisees (most of them), via their free will, did not believe Jesus was the Christ, and wound up having him killed. Other people (including some of the Pharisees) did choose to believe Jesus was who he said he was.

He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; 1 John 5:10-12

The question is: Is the witness in a person before he believes, or when he believes? Eph 1:13

 

[isaac]

The Pharisees (most of them), via their free will, did not believe Jesus was the Christ, and wound up having him killed.

"Via their free will" Peter said that they were in ignorance of Christ:
I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Acts 3:17-20

The question is: Is the witness in a person before he believes, or when he believes? Eph 1:13

Before they're established in Christ, they're eating food sacrificed to idols like your gnostic friend GM.

Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. But not everyone has this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols; 1 Cor 8:6-7

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So with that said, make sure that no one becomes immoral, ungodly like Edomite GM who sold his inheritance for food that does not profit. Heb 12:16-17
"Will I not destroy the wise men out of Edom?" Oba 1:8 They have perished in Korah’s rebellion. Jude 1:11
Place the Priest's staff permanently before the Ark of the Covenant to serve as a warning to rebels. Numbers 17:10

 

[shroom]

"Via their free will" Peter said that they were in ignorance of Christ:
I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Acts 3:17-20

Before they're established in Christ, they're eating food sacrificed to idols like your gnostic friend GM.

Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. But not everyone has this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols; 1 Cor 8:6-7

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So with that said, make sure that no one becomes immoral, ungodly like Edomite GM who sold his inheritance for food that does not profit. Heb 12:16-17
"Will I not destroy the wise men out of Edom?" Oba 1:8 They have perished in Korah’s rebellion. Jude 1:11
Place the Priest's staff permanently before the Ark of the Covenant to serve as a warning to rebels. Numbers 17:10

You're too vague with your answers. You've sidestepped almost everything I've asked you.

Thanks for the conversation.

Also, while Gary isn't my friend, I do hope he comes to an understanding of the gospel.

 

[isaac]

You're too vague with your answers. You've sidestepped almost everything I've asked you.

But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 2 Cor 2:3-4

Thanks for the conversation.

Anytime.

Also, while Gary isn't my friend, I do hope he comes to an understanding of the gospel.

This is why it is said:
“Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”
See then that you walk not as foolish gnostics but as the wise. (Eph 5:13-15)

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So with that said, make sure that no one becomes immoral, ungodly like Edomite GM who sold his inheritance for food that does not profit. Heb 12:16-17
"Will I not destroy the wise men out of Edom?" Oba 1:8 They have perished in Korah’s rebellion. Jude 1:11
Place the Priest's staff permanently before the Ark of the Covenant to serve as a warning to rebels. Numbers 17:10

 

[shroom]

But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 2 Cor 2:3-4

Another sidestep. But I'm picking up on your thinly veiled inference.

See you at the return. Maybe then you'll be able to give straight answers.