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[Authentic Nouveau]

How do the locals disprove all the miracles performed by Jesus ?

How do the locals disprove miracles still done in Jesus Name today?

Our Pastor did graduate engineering in Nuclear Medical Engineering. We pray for Jesus to do a miracle, we go along if the Doc says it is a miracle and have the doc give a written note to read.

Example, we had a young mom with a brain tumor which was not operable. She was expected to live less than 3 weeks. God healed her years ago and The tumor disappeared from her MRI. How can an atheist make a blind claim refuting a scientifically identified lesion and not use science to disprove it? Just hand waving.

I have 7 examples that had back problems calling for surgery. 3cases had surgery scheduled. They were healed and the 3 examples which had surgery scheduled, had their surgery canceled.
How can I get an atheist to cough the patient's name and show and deny the MRI?

 

[SteveB]

How do the locals disprove all the miracles performed by Jesus ?

They are not able to disprove them.
they can only claim they never happened. Ironically, based entirely on solipsism, because they were't there to witness them, nor did they have any friends to be eyewitnesses, no newspaper reporters they'd trust as valid, etc.....

How do the locals disprove miracles still done in Jesus Name today?

I think that's a lot easier--- again a matter of solipsism.
they're not present to observe them happening, so they just deny them.

Our Pastor did graduate engineering in Nuclear Medical Engineering. We pray for Jesus to do a miracle, we go along if the Doc says it is a miracle and have the doc give a written note to read.

I've asked my doctors to give notes. They refuse, so I'm curious..... have you actually got doctors to give you notes?
Mine appear to not be interested in having to field all the calls that'd arise from the notes' distribution to let unbelievers corroborate them.
I think the past few years of politics have borne out that the cancel culture would seek to spew all kinds of verbal abuse, hate, and vitriol on those who did.

Example, we had a young mom with a brain tumor which was not operable. She was expected to live less than 3 weeks. God healed her years ago and The tumor disappeared from her MRI. How can an atheist make a blind claim refuting a scientifically identified lesion and not use science to disprove it? Just hand waving.

I think the atheists have become the religious "cancel culture" of today.
They're not actually interested in the truth, and so just, as you say--- wave their hands, and deny these things happen.
And as you've seen on the previous version of this forum, the abuse I had to deal with when I talked about God's having healed me of my cancer, and the doctors' testimony that I'm a walking miracle.

I have 7 examples that had back problems calling for surgery. 3cases had surgery scheduled. They were healed and the 3 examples which had surgery scheduled, had their surgery canceled.
How can I get an atheist to cough the patient's name and show and deny the MRI?

I think the only way you're going to get an atheist to admit that miracles are real, legit, and valid is if they're slapped upside the head with a good sized rock that they can't deny without being an obvious nimrod.

 

[Whateverman]

How do the locals disprove all the miracles performed by Jesus ?

They don't, because no one has proved Jesus existed (let alone performed miracles).

 

[SteveB]

They don't, because no one has proved Jesus existed (let alone performed miracles).

Actually, they have.
You've just not bothered reading.

 

[The Pixie]

Actually, they have.
You've just not bothered reading.

Is this more of that scientific evidence you are sure exists, but cannot actually produce, Steve?

There is the evidence we could ever want. The thing is, the Christian round here cannot find it themselves, so the atheists have to do the reading for them. Yeah, we believe that.

 

[SteveB]

Is this more of that scientific evidence you are sure exists, but cannot actually produce, Steve?

There is the evidence we could ever want. The thing is, the Christian round here cannot find it themselves, so the atheists have to do the reading for them. Yeah, we believe that.

No.
More like 1987 years of documentation.

I'm curious.....
That PhD you earned in Chemistry.
was there a point where you had to learn the history of chemistry? Or did you only play with chemicals to see what their reactions with each other would be?

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

They are not able to disprove them.
they can only claim they never happened. Ironically, based entirely on solipsism, because they were't there to witness them, nor did they have any friends to be eyewitnesses, no newspaper reporters they'd trust as valid, etc.....

I think that's a lot easier--- again a matter of solipsism.
they're not present to observe them happening, so they just deny them.



I've asked my doctors to give notes. They refuse, so I'm curious..... have you actually got doctors to give you notes?
Mine appear to not be interested in having to field all the calls that'd arise from the notes' distribution to let unbelievers corroborate them.
I think the past few years of politics have borne out that the cancel culture would seek to spew all kinds of verbal abuse, hate, and vitriol on those who did.


I think the atheists have become the religious "cancel culture" of today.
They're not actually interested in the truth, and so just, as you say--- wave their hands, and deny these things happen.
And as you've seen on the previous version of this forum, the abuse I had to deal with when I talked about God's having healed me of my cancer, and the doctors' testimony that I'm a walking miracle.


I think the only way you're going to get an atheist to admit that miracles are real, legit, and valid is if they're slapped upside the head with a good sized rock that they can't deny without being an obvious nimrod.

The patient asks for a note to themselves. Some do.
Some times all you need is a MRI report showing a cancer and another report showing no signs of a lesion.

Our church got a call. A Pastor in Oklahoma wanted us to pray for a Saint. He had fallen 30 feet, had a skull fracture and was not expected to live over night. He didn't die. He was supposed to be a vegetable. Rest of his life. Based on neurological tests. He rode the wheel chair to the front door and walked out of the hospital in 2 days. No hematoma on brain scan at this time. I had a business trip to OK and went outof my way, stayed over Sunday and went to his church. I saw him. He did have a bandage. I took me about 30 seconds to follow his eye contact and speech to see he was normal which is also not normal with a hematoma or stroke.

 

[SteveB]

The patient asks for a note to themselves. Some do.
Some times all you need is a MRI report showing a cancer and another report showing no signs of a lesion.

Indeed... patient obtained, information. But as soon as that patient makes known to anyone else--- hey, my doctor says---. ......... and shows the note to anyone else, the doctor's name gets made known, opening the door for calls, inquiries, the press, etc...
This opens the door for cancel culture to show up.

Our church got a call. A Pastor in Oklahoma wanted us to pray for a Saint. He had fallen 30 feet, had a skull fracture and was not expected to live over night. He didn't die. He was supposed to be a vegetable. Rest of his life. Based on neurological tests. He rode the wheel chair to the front door and walked out of the hospital in 2 days. No hematoma on brain scan at this time. I had a business trip to OK and went outof my way, stayed over Sunday and went to his church. I saw him. He did have a bandage. I took me about 30 seconds to follow his eye contact and speech to see he was normal which is also not normal with a hematoma or stroke.

Awesome!
Praise God.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Indeed... patient obtained, information. But as soon as that patient makes known to anyone else--- hey, my doctor says---. ......... and shows the note to anyone else, the doctor's name gets made known, opening the door for calls, inquiries, the press, etc...
This opens the door for cancel culture to show up.



Awesome!
Praise God.

One of our younger Pastors had 4 children. Pregnant with the 5th mom had a sonogram. Bad news, the baby has 2 serious birth defects. The OB says this is when people think if they want an abortion. She doesn't do abortions and she opposes abortions. But she said people think about it.

I know the Doc I have never worked with her but knew her because her son and our son in Scouts together. My wife knew her.

Our Senior Pastor said we will pray, your baby will be fine you do not need an abortion.

Younger Pastor has a Masters in anatomy and Physiology. Not uneducated in human health.

Well they had the baby. He had NO birth defects which had clearly shown up in previous office visits. The Doc was prepared to deliver and hand mom her new baby with serious birth defects.
He was perfect.

In fact so perfect against the defects which were ugly serious. The Doc came out of the delivery rooms and started weeping Balling. So overwhelmed the baby had no defects.

The Doc crying for joy. Sobbing.
I have NEVER seen a Doc cry in my life. Never ever.

 

[The Pixie]

No.
More like 1987 years of documentation.

But when asked, you cannot actually find any of it, can you?

Odd that.

 

[The Pixie]

One of our younger Pastors had 4 children. ...
In fact so perfect against the defects which were ugly serious. The Doc came out of the delivery rooms and started weeping Balling. So overwhelmed the baby had no defects.

...

What a wonderful story.

What about all the babies that ARE born with birth defeats? Does God not care about them enough to fix them?

I guess they must have sinned in the womb, right? So they deserved to grow up with a permanent disability. If they lived that long. Halleluiah!

 

[The Pixie]

The patient asks for a note to themselves. Some do.
Some times all you need is a MRI report showing a cancer and another report showing no signs of a lesion.

Our church got a call. A Pastor in Oklahoma wanted us to pray for a Saint. He had fallen 30 feet, had a skull fracture and was not expected to live over night. He didn't die. He was supposed to be a vegetable. Rest of his life. Based on neurological tests. He rode the wheel chair to the front door and walked out of the hospital in 2 days. No hematoma on brain scan at this time. I had a business trip to OK and went outof my way, stayed over Sunday and went to his church. I saw him. He did have a bandage. I took me about 30 seconds to follow his eye contact and speech to see he was normal which is also not normal with a hematoma or stroke.

What a great story! Something like that will surely have been in the local papers. Can you give us a link?

Of course, if you just made this up, then that will be difficult for you. But SteveB seems convinced it is true, and he is big on critical thinking, so it must be true, right?

 

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Actually, they have.
You've just not bothered reading.

What you and other Christians like you forget is that performing miracles and a belief in magical practices was commonplace throughout the ancient world, and in both the Graeco-Roman and Jewish spheres. It was part of the contemporary context. The use of exorcism to remove evil spirits, imprecations and invocations involving deities, divination, omens, and protective amulets, all under-laid the fabric of society. It was not therefore surprising that Jesus was regarded as a goētēs (wonder worker); and that within the Hellenistic Roman world he was widely held to be a magician.

However, with regard to the miraculous cures he effected, it should be noted that the four canonical gospels do not tell us if anyone went back to the patients six, or twelve months later, to do a check up and assess if the various cures were still evident.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

What you and other Christians like you forget is that performing miracles and a belief in magical practices was commonplace throughout the ancient world, and in both the Graeco-Roman and Jewish spheres. It was part of the contemporary context. The use of exorcism to remove evil spirits, imprecations and invocations involving deities, divination, omens, and protective amulets, all under-laid the fabric of society. It was not therefore surprising that Jesus was regarded as a goētēs (wonder worker); and that within the Hellenistic Roman world he was widely held to be a magician.

However, with regard to the miraculous cures he effected, it should be noted that the four canonical gospels do not tell us if anyone went back to the patients six, or twelve months later, to do a check up and assess if the various cures were still evident.

Your Death knell for Orthodoxx Darwinismus

Can you open a blind eye with mud and spit?

You peddled/posted advocating Haeckels and his garbage which was PROVEN false 100 years ago. Pay attention

 

[SteveB]

But when asked, you cannot actually find any of it, can you?

Odd that.

Well, you know what I find odd....
That a PhD in chemistry is too lazy to do their own research, so they can't blame others for confirmation bias.
Why is that?

The PhD's I'm acquainted with---- they'd assiduously scour the resources to prove the truth, instead of leaving it to less-trained parties.
especially when their ego and letters being the name are involved.

So.... yeah. You're right. that is odd that you leave adult's work to people whom you believe to be children.

 

[SteveB]

What you and other Christians like you forget is that performing miracles and a belief in magical practices was commonplace throughout the ancient world, and in both the Graeco-Roman and Jewish spheres. It was part of the contemporary context. The use of exorcism to remove evil spirits, imprecations and invocations involving deities, divination, omens, and protective amulets, all under-laid the fabric of society. It was not therefore surprising that Jesus was regarded as a goētēs (wonder worker); and that within the Hellenistic Roman world he was widely held to be a magician.

I wouldn't know. I wasn't there.
All I've ever had regarding the miraculous, are documented testimony by eyewitnesses of the day.
and considering you're always making a point of empirical evidence, it seems that you'll have to provide empirical evidence of your claims for them to be taken seriously.

I do on the other hand have present day empirical evidence of miracles in my own life, and the testimony of other's who today are also recipients of such miracles.

However, with regard to the miraculous cures he effected, it should be noted that the four canonical gospels do not tell us if anyone went back to the patients six, or twelve months later, to do a check up and assess if the various cures were still evident.

Indeed....
So, why don't you build a time machine, and go do that.
I'm thinking a trip to Lazarus' place would be a great trip. To talk with a guy who'd been raised from the dead, after a 4 day jaunt in the grave, stinking as he would, bloated, etc..... That must've been an awful mess..... and Jesus went and ruined it all by bringing him back from the dead.

So, let me know when you have it operational. I'd love to join you in that trip. I have several others too that I believe you'll want to take.

 

[The Pixie]

Well, you know what I find odd....
That a PhD in chemistry is too lazy to do their own research, so they can't blame others for confirmation bias.
Why is that?

It is not MY research, Steve, it is YOURS. You want me to do the research to find the evidence to support your fantasies.

I am not going to do that because I think it is a waste time.

I mean, let us be honest here, you spent 43.5 years doing this and turned up diddly squat. It is great you think I will do better than that, I do appreciate the sentiment, but I do not share your optimism.

 

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I wouldn't know. I wasn't there.
All I've ever had regarding the miraculous, are documented testimony by eyewitnesses of the day.
and considering you're always making a point of empirical evidence, it seems that you'll have to provide empirical evidence of your claims for them to be taken seriously.

I do on the other hand have present day empirical evidence of miracles in my own life, and the testimony of other's who today are also recipients of such miracles.




Indeed....
So, why don't you build a time machine, and go do that.
I'm thinking a trip to Lazarus' place would be a great trip. To talk with a guy who'd been raised from the dead, after a 4 day jaunt in the grave, stinking as he would, bloated, etc..... That must've been an awful mess..... and Jesus went and ruined it all by bringing him back from the dead.

So, let me know when you have it operational. I'd love to join you in that trip. I have several others too that I believe you'll want to take.

It is impossible to persuade the irrational to accept rational proposals.

 

[SteveB]

It is not MY research, Steve, it is YOURS. You want me to do the research to find the evidence to support your fantasies.

My research is mine.
You're not willing apparently to do your own.

I am not going to do that because I think it is a waste time.

Well, as you say--- your eternal destination is a waste of time.
As Paul told his hearers. you have deemed yourself unworthy of eternal life.

I mean, let us be honest here, you spent 43.5 years doing this and turned up diddly squat. It is great you think I will do better than that, I do appreciate the sentiment, but I do not share your optimism.

I've turned up more than diddly squat.
God turned up eternal life, healed me of a gunshot wound, healed me of cancer, not just once, twice, three, or even four, but several times.
He's healed friends, and acquaintances.
He's removed anxiety, despair, been with me in my darkest times, and given me peace, joy, his righteousness, his life.
You're being invited to learn what the truth is.
You say that you deem it a waste of time.
So be it.
Stop wasting your life on this forum, and go live a real adult's life.

 

[SteveB]

It is impossible to persuade the irrational to accept rational proposals.

That's just it.... you've never provided a single rational proposal.
Not once.